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Lloyd3 #596822 05/12/21 10:48 AM
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Good old gun ,90% of the problems can be fixed with hammer new springs ans fireing pins.

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Thank you all! If this gun works for me, it will be a fairly painless entry into the game of high-volume shooting (for basically the price of an pump-gun). If I find that I'm enjoying and participating in it more-frequently, I can always move-up into a better unit later and peddle this one. This will allow for me to hang with the guys, burn a few shells, and see what I think about it all.

I'll look closely at the firing pins, measure the chokes, snap the trigger on caps several time to get a feel for it (I assume it's mechanical?), and examine the whole gun much more critically (take it all down if allowed). If there is any looseness or the top lever is neutral or to the left I'll pass. Tight chokes don't worry me all that much. Most of the shots at the local ranges are pretty long anyway.

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Something nobody has bothered to mention is the fact that if this is a trap gun, and it sounds as if it is, it will have high stock dimensions in the neighborhood of 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 x whatever l.o.p. Unless you are accustomed to "floating" whatever you're shooting by a considerable bit, you will shoot over everything with this gun other than trap targets, and it won't be conducive to alterations either. Not a good choice for SC. Just a caveat for you, Lloyd.
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Lloyd3 #596832 05/12/21 04:51 PM
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Mr. Roberts, you are correct, it didn't fit as great as I thought it might at first glance. But not to worry, this 1986 gun had been used very hard. The top lever was way past left of center, the trigger was a bit wonky and the standing breech look like the face of a hard-used anvil. For all that, the ejectors worked fairly well and the gun still locked up quite tight, even with the forend off of it. If the seller had been willing to discount the price even a wee-bit I'd of still been tempted, but there was no wiggle so I passed. Hit two other shops and had lunch with my co-pilot. All-in-all, a good afternoon. There was even an older Winchester 101 there that fit me all right, but it was fairly high-miles too and the price was fairly steep. I guess I'm still looking...

I did just hear the the local clubs are back to limiting the shells you can buy to 2 boxes (it had been 4) so.....we're not out of those woods yet either.

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Just as a clarification, trap guns aren't likely ideal for sporting clays largely because of their higher combs? Are there any other components that might not be ideal as well? Clearly fixed chokes aren't ideal either, although I'd think mod and full would cover most of the situations I've seen so-far (admittedly, darn few). The older guns are clearly attractive to me because of their more-familiar look (blued steel, real wood, etc.) but very few are left-handed, and most are at-best neutral. Weight here (to soak up the recoil) is a plus but what weight would be optimal? I'd guess around 8 to 9 lbs., but that would be just a guess. The newer Turkish sporting guns are clearly attractive to me (many are being built specifically for us southpaws), but I'm reading some serious horror stories about barrel regulation and bad triggers on many of them, even in some of the better (and more-familiar) named guns. A great price wont feel very good if either of those issues are present, and long-term....that's anyone's guess.

Not hard to see why folks just pony-up the big bucks for the long-established and well-known target guns.

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Another question, where do Monte Carlo stocks fit in all of this and how adjustable can they be?

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Changing chokes is over rated to me. Yes you could optimize your choke configuration theoretically, on every target, if you had screw in chokes. I shoot a full choked .410 model 42 for 90% of my sporting clay's. The other ten percent are classic pump guns for fun or a side by side. A center pattern hit si the same for 12 to .410. Only your margin of error is different. Good luck in your quest. 90% of the fun in buying is the looking at likely candidates.

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Monte Carlo stocks have no place on a sporting clays course, IMO. They shoot too high for 98% of sporting targets. Floating clays above the bead is a great recipe for poor scores. Your gun needs to pattern from 50/50 to 60/40. Much higher than that is problematic.

My Perazzi MX8 is 9 lbs. I like the weight ........ in a Perazzi.

Fixed chokes are fine for sporting. You can use spreaders, like I do, on close, unpredictable presentations, like rabbits. I like fixed modified and modified. Concentrate on the targets, not on what is the most open choke you can use and still get chips. Go for smoke, not chips.


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I shot a Browning Citori mid rib donated to our SCTP by a nice man. 32” barrels, but almost clearly a trap gun. The gun shoots a full pattern high, at least for me. I was wondering if the rib was set up for trap to shoot high? Basically, a worthless gun for sporting clays imho. I think our SCTP group should trade that gun off since all our kids are more than turned off by trap (they don’t want to shoot skeet all that much either). I’ve tried to explain to them that trap and skeet are the fundamentals of sporting, but my pleas usually fall on deaf ears. Nevertheless, the Browning trap appears almost worthless for sporting clays, to my eye.


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I went through all the foo fah rah during my trap shooting mania...Started off with a budget trap gun, kept upgrading, spending money....A wise old shooter who already had the T shirt told me that I likely wouldnt get much better at age 62....BONG! Reality.....Went back to shooting for fun....He was right...85 now, still shooting, having fun....

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