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Journal Officiel du 14/01/1960, page 439
Décret n° 60-12 du 12 janvier 1960

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22 April 1868 décret? Qu'est que ce?

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Je pense qu'il y a une légère méprise.
Argo, tu parles de l'épreuve des canons finis, alors que je parle de l'épreuve des armes finies. Ce sont deux épreuves différentes.

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Ah, vous avez raison! Oui, je parle de l'épreuve des canons finis.

Translation: Fab500 noticed that I was discussing proofing of finished barrels which goes back a long way; while he was referring to proofing of finished guns in their entirety.

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2 X length of pull on a normal French gun equals about 26 1/2". We'll see whether the buyer has an accurate yardstick. 30" barrels would be unusual unless they were re-sleeved.

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Standard French SxS barrel was 65 cm = 27 1/2". I would think this Robust is of that length.

There is this Didier Drevet shotgun. SN 5275: dated 1887, a complete gun, chambered for 75mm (Black Powder) which had 30" Damascus barrels and was for sale for 750 Euros - I am really attracted to that particular Stephanois gun which I find totally elegant in its quiet simplicity.
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The French did build some longer barreled guns. I have a 30 inch Darne P-19 in 12 gauge is pre-WWII. It came home as a war trophy.

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Not sure where to put this, but OK you Stéphanoise Aficionados, a fella over @ Shotgunworld needs an ID:

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I can move the inquiry if need be.

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that gun does offer some challenges, it would be useful if owner could post photos of the tubes in front of the flats, and of the "watertable" (i know that term irks some...)

it starts out quite normally;
cal 16 normal = 65mm chambers
demi-choke on right = half choke - which to the french means 25-30 thou
choke on left = full choke - which means a bunch - 40-45 thou
arme finie = proved in finished state
fabrication mecanique / canon frette = the mono-block barrel knitting of manufrance.... as evidenced by the obvious step at the front of the monoblock, where the tubes insert.
acier = steel - but here without any of the superlatives the french favor....which signals that it is a lower grade gun.

but here it takes a twist;
epreuve = single proof
pression850kilos = single proof - at the manufrance in-house facility
arrow thru target over PT = single proof, using powder T - again at the manufrance factory

fab500 gives us a very useful entry from a french text about manufrance that helps answer numerous questions... https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...;Main=39635&Number=595336#Post595336
after 1926 manufrance ceased using the customary saint etienne proof house, and ran their wares through an in-house facility.
one arrow thru target = 850kilos = single proof
two arrows thru targets = 1100kilos = double proof
three arrows thru targets = 1300kilos = triple proof

but these barrel flats lack two markings that manufrance guns always carry - "always" is kinda like "never" - it's a tricky word....
look back at the gun that started this thread; on the flats nearest the breech there's a mark centered under each chamber (and oriented parallel to the bores instead of perpendicular)....the crossed cannons bracketed by M & F, and the circled MF trade mark.

those marks are conspicuous in their absence - everything about this gun says field grade manufrance Robust - built after 1926 - maybe pre-war, maybe post-war. the fact they are absent leads me to the assumption that the gun was built and proofed by manufrance - in the finished state - but wholesaled to someone else, to be sold in france - but without proprietary markings by manufrance.

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Late to the party but excellent analysis Tom. It sure appears to be a Robust. Would like to know the model of the gun. Gene


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