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ed good #597818 06/05/21 10:58 PM
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Due respect to Bob noble, I think KY Jon has it right. I simply stands to reason that a strugglimg company couldnt have had that much unfinished inventory on hand. They didnt have the working capital, otherwise they wouldn't have gone kaput.

For my money, many Durstan guns are misidentified as being Ithaca assembled. But as all have yielded, we likepy will never truly know

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Bob has expanded our knowledge base on LeFevers a ton. Truth is we will never know for sure and that bugs some of us a lot. Most of my thoughts, such as they are, reflect what I have learned from about a dozen people along with things I have picked up from other interest. Ithaca seems to have bought several small arms makers around the 1910-1920 time frame. One I have been collecting for some time was the Toledo Firearms company. Why they bought them out I do not know as they never used any of their firearms. Perhaps there was some machinery, or perhaps the held a patent that interested Ithaca or they bought them intending to makes something they held a patent on and never used it. Plans change. I think Ithaca was more interested in the name right than any machinery or guns that LeFever made. LeFever would be a nice "brand name" to use for a product line and that is exactly what Ithaca ended up doing with it.

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KY JON, Was it Toledo F.A. Co. or Union F.A. Co of Toledo that Ithaca purchased? Union F.A. had ties with at least one of the Lefever sons.

... just realized Toledo Arms was successor of Union F.A. Co. but name of company changed to Union Arms Company
~1913. Lefever definitely had a presence at Union.

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Ithaca bought the assets of the Union FA Co. and sold some of the Union guns early on as a few were recorded in in the records. It is my understanding Ithaca mostly wanted the manufacturing assets. They never produced a Union type gun.

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A Lefever or one of his son was with Union for a time. I saw a 12 with classic ball and socket joint which was made by Union. Think Creacent level of quality. Got out bid on it but in hindsight I should have kept going. Never saw another. It is just hard to bid 1,000+ for a gun which was worth 300. For all I know it was a one if a kind. Maybe a demonstration gun or proof of concept. But A LeFever had to have a hand in that.

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If you would read my post on here that I posted two to three years ago on how lefevers were numbered you would understand alot more.



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