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So much fanfare is made over automatic safeties. I don't care for them and can't see why some think they are so important. If they are, why weren't they designed on semi-autos and pumps? And, don't tell me it couldn't be done.


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Quite correct, don't move at all. The whole spec says it was intended for someone who was a died in the wool hammergun user who fancied the idea of an ejector. It was ordered by a corporate body for someone who doesn't appear to have been of any obvious significance, certainly not an officer of the company, more likely an important customer. It was also specified to have a knob on the t'guard like a Jones underlever but that bit apparently got cancelled! It would be great to know the story behind it but we will probably never know. All the alterations were apparently done on a completed SLE, there are strike marks in the internal colour hardening where the hammer fixings were struck off and the safety push rod still had the file marks across its end!

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Auto safeties are something that should never have been invented, I have disconnected all but my BRNO o/u just because I haven't figured out how to do it. I don't know of a single pump or semi-auto with an automatic safety.


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I can take them or leave them, I made it a habit years ago to not depend on them. If a gun has an auto safety I pull it back anyway and always push it forward to fire.
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Almost all safeties I have seen block trigger movement, not the sears. A cocked gun on "safe" is still a potential danger and can go off, ie after a knock or fall, despite being on "safe".

As for auto safeties, I can see their usefulness in shooting with a pair of guns and a loader. They protect from a fumbled gun change, and that is about it.

It is interesting to note that one of the most conscientious hunters ever, Aldo Leopold, ordered his SXS with no safety.

So auto or manual, it is about the same usefulness, which is close to nil.

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In NSCA sporting clays competition a shooter is allowed three gun malfunctions, per round of 100, before the scorer is to call a target a lost bird.

Think about it for a minute. If your brain can be trained to push the safety off when needed, it can just as easily be trained to put it back on safe after the shot. It can also be trained to keep the trigger finger outside the triggerguard, resting alongside the bow, until the second before the shot. And, that is a proper safety, IMO.


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It's been a while since I read the NSCA rulebook, but is forgetting to take a gun off safe an allowable malfunction? I believe in NSSA, the shooter is required to do what is proper by the instruction book, then, if the gun doesn't go off, it's an allowable malfunction. Leaving the gun on safe is a lost bird. I have automatic safeties, non automatic safeties, and no safeties. I don't shoot in competition with automatic safeties. They are a lost bird waiting to happen.

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[quote=Shotgunjones]By definition a 'competition' gun has no auto-safety. Many have no safety at all.

Agreed, however, at some of the SxS shoots, people gravitate towards and shoot their hunting guns. I went to the Great Northern in WI a few years ago thinking it was a vintage like shoot. Dummy me brought a Lancaster wrist breaker with an automatic safety and Damascus barrels to shoot. Little did I know the real competitors would be shooting tricked out competition Model 21’s and Browning BSS guns. Ignorance is bliss, live and learn.


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I have a hammer duck gun with a somewhat redundant manual safety. Sometimes I have the hammers back while in the blind and the safety on. It still scares the fool out of me to see it leaned up on the front of the blind with hammers back. If others comment on it, I point out that the 'hammer' is back and the safety on with their pump or automatic; just like my gun but they can't see their hammer because it is inside. I usually end up shooting the gun with safety off and cock the hammers as I pull up to shoot...Geo

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I’m sure not in love with them, and have missed a bird or two when I reloaded my gun and figured, in the heat of the moment, the safety was where I left it, only to discover it wasn’t. I have disabled one or two of them, over the years.
But, I wouldn’t reject an otherwise nice gun that had one.

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