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I know a couple of people who continued to use their Remington 870's and Browning Superposed after steel shot became the norm for waterfowl. Worth Mathewson also writes about using steel, lots of steel, in a Browning O/U and in an LC Smith SxS with F and F chokes. None of these people report barrel damage. One 870 has been patterned with every size from #4 to T, and patterns best with T and #3 steel! I did not see the patterns, but I bet they were, well, not the best Full choke pattern I've seen...They kill birds, that I have witnessed. I've read on this site that a person experimenting with chokes found much improved patterns and percentages at about .018" for a 84% pattern! IMO, there is no reason to keep a full choke in a barrel used for steel shot.

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That's good to know. What does steel do in a pure cylinder?


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Originally Posted by Run With The Fox
Hey Stan. I've been using steel shot in my 3 12 gauge M12's for 30 plus years- no damage to the muzzle area of each of these fine repeaters, none whatsoever. All are full choke, which prefer, as I enjoy "pillow-casing" decoying mallards and geese at 25 yards and closing, and a full choke will do that, assuming the proper lead and follow-through on the part of the gunner. RWTF

This post and your previous posts speak volumes and the insight provided comes as no surprise. How many nouns in the alphabet RWTF ? I notice that your Mother who you describe as “a (sic)English teacher” failed to highlight the difference between nouns and vowels and I would say is probably not the great stickler for proper grammar and spelling that you profess, or perhaps you just weren’t the brightest of pupils.
With that attention to detail I don’t think you are Lovat Scout material.

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OK, Konor--the vowels I learned in grammar school (Saint Adolphus) are: a, e, i, o, u.. Find me a noun (person, place or thing, if memory serves, that does NOT contain at least one vowel, if you can. No, not quite Lord Lovat caliber, and I don't drink Scotch whisky, not eat haggis or play the bagpipes either- My ancestry on one side is Belfast based green Irish, by the by. What does that have to do with your life on the other side of the pond, I might wonder. RWTF


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MYRRH. Noun. A bitter , aromatic, transparent gum, exuded from the bark of an Arabian shrub. (Very often found with Gold and Frankincense). :-) Sorry; couldn't resist. Lagopus…..

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Rhythm and Lynx are two I know of and a quick google gives Pygmy myth and hymn . The common denominator seems to be the letter y

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Originally Posted by Run With The Fox
Hey Stan. I've been using steel shot in my 3 12 gauge M12's for 30 plus years- no damage to the muzzle area of each of these fine repeaters, none whatsoever. All are full choke, which prefer, as I enjoy "pillow-casing" decoying mallards and geese at 25 yards and closing, and a full choke will do that, assuming the proper lead and follow-through on the part of the gunner. RWTF

With not much more effort you could head fringe shoot with a tight pattern, especially the geese and take home game for the table.
Pillow casing birds deliberately and repeatedly on any rough syndicates I’ve been involved in would result in you having to leave the field and your membership of the syndicate cancelled. I can’t think of anywhere in my experience where such behaviour would be tolerated.

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I've not heard the term pillow-casing before. Would one of you who use the term provide an explanation. Thanks.


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Originally Posted by Konor3inch
Rhythm and Lynx are two I know of and a quick google gives Pygmy myth and hymn . The common denominator seems to be the letter y

Harsh. Getting an English lesson from a Scotsman.

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Pillow casing birds deliberately and repeatedly on any rough syndicates I’ve been involved in would result in you having to leave the field and your membership of the syndicate cancelled.

Fox, what you will probably hear is…


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