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Originally Posted by HomelessjOe
Original condition is in the eye of the beholder.

The late Thad Scott told me all the old English guns were color cased to protect wear to the metal and the engraving....so that coined/polished reciever and blued action plate with blued screws along with the blued top lever is s dead give away the metal was redone.

Well Joe, unfortunately Thad Scott was wrong. Gun furniture was rarely case colored. Parts that were traditionally blacked would be stuff like top levers, floor plates, trigger guards, for-end buttons, some pins, etc.
Parts that were hardened would be frames, trigger plates, fore end irons, lock plates (on sidelocks & ornamental).
There are exceptions to the rule though.

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This could get interesting? I see lots of early continental guns left in the white(action) but not so much In Britain? Usually I can find traces of cch on action flats or on protected part of forend iron? What say you guys?

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Color cased hardening wasn't used for appearances so-much as it was used to temper the skin of the steel used in an action body and various parts. The metallurgy of the time required it as much as anything else. We see it now as "beautiful" but it was arguably all they had to make the gun durable for the job at hand. LeFusil is exactly right, the blued parts on this Evens were likely blued originally as well. In the intervening years (all 120 of 'em!) it seems unlikely that the gun hasn't seen some form of maintenance work to keep it in order. Routinely, the good and better English guns were annually sent back to their makers for yearly cleaning and maintenance. Since this is a London-sourced gun (not likely made there, but otherwise immaterial) in it's early life, it should have received several such treatments. Over it's lifetime...who knows? Post WW1 (or even WW2), maybe not so-much. Clearly not much chance of that since it left England. Any importer marks or proof marks on it? Mine was reproved in something like 1999 in London before it went overseas (lots of that going on then).

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Originally Posted by Lloyd3
Clearly not much chance of that since it left England. Any importer marks or proof marks on it?

The Evans was purchased from an importer recently, in June 2021, who routinely brings quantities of European and English firearms into Canada. There are only one set of proofs marks, all London Proof-house stampings, from the period for 1 1/8th ounce loads to the best of my knowledge.

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To further clarify for HomelessJoe - the the receiver is a dull grey case coloured finish, not polished nor a coin finish.

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No matter, it should make one heck of a great ruffed grouse gun! I'm assuming you're chasing them in Canada as well?

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Yes, in ON and a second house in NB on the upper Mirimichi River which is on the Atlantic Flyway of the woodcock migration. With Jack my four year old English setter at my side:

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Originally Posted by LeFusil
Originally Posted by HomelessjOe
Original condition is in the eye of the beholder.

The late Thad Scott told me all the old English guns were color cased to protect wear to the metal and the engraving....so that coined/polished reciever and blued action plate with blued screws along with the blued top lever is s dead give away the metal was redone.

Well Joe, unfortunately Thad Scott was wrong.

If I were a betting man my money would be on Thad being correct and frAnk getting the story wrong. Thad was extremely knowledgeable and had an extensive collection of fine English rifles. I just sold a spectacular Rigby .577 falling block that Thad owned, he knew good guns well.


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The "dull, grey, case-colored finish" that Olgrouser refers to is very likely to be what remains after 120-years (115 in this case) of service. The much-harder blued components remain very much as they were, but the case-hardened metal has worn and softened to a dull silver, with hints of color remaining in the deeper parts of the engraving and perhaps some of the more-protected metal under the forend. I have come to expect it, especially on a workhorse such as this gun. You can have a gun like this refinished by re-case coloring and rebluing the furniture, but why? When I see a gun like this one redone in that fashion (tarted-up?), I immediately wonder if there were issues that are being concealed. Even with proper care over the years, good, honest wear is to be expected and even...appreciated.


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Note the absence of drop points and intercepting sear pins on this gun, and only 5 years "newer" than your Evans. Most likely evidence of this Birmingham sourced W. Richards being considered a "good" gun at the time, with the London-sourced Evans being a "best" gun.

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Sounds to me both saying about the same thing. Joe just called it a receiver. Both said action is cch on these guns. Small parts may or may not have been blued in various ways. Any way, great guns and a very good looking setter! Impressive.thanks for sharing pics.

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That’s a neat old gun. Think of how hard it would have been to engrave that gun. In this day and age, it would cost a bunch for that engraving. You could have the furniture and floor plate ‘picked up’ if you wanted and pick up the screws a little (it appears to have been re-blued over, and hence sort of dull, but then these photos sometimes kind of lie), or jut leave it be. I would, for sure, leave the action alone. Nice old gun.


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