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At the Medford shoot my Nephew experienced 4 occasions where the gun fired upon closing. 1 with the right and 3 on the left He said that his finger was nowhere near the triggers and the safety was on safe. ( very experienced shooter). I used the gun for over 150 shots and had no problems. Owned this for over 8 years without a problem. I tried to duplicate this condition and firing the gun with snap caps removing the locks for inspection after each cycle duplicated the condition 1 time. By not opening the gun fully after ejection the sear was not engaged and the safety sear was just barely engaged. I think he opened the gun just far enough to trip the ejectors and did not complete the cocking sequence. He held the gun in is left and his right just behind the breech to cup the shells upon ejection and did not open the gun fully all of the time. The sequence must be preformed properly to safely operate it. I will pay attention to this the future and hope the problem has been identified. Is my conclusion sound?

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The timing may indeed be off slightly in the gun. The ejectors should trip at the same time or slightly after the gun comes to full cock.


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thank's SKB I had not considered that. My Gant is 127 years old after all.

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Eric: Obviously not a Grant, but one of my farm implement ejector Smith guns fired on closing. This is David Williamson's image and upper edge of the sear, after thousands of shots (and usually the right), can become rounded.
As you observed, if the barrels are not fully opened, the sear is not fully seated in the notch. Smiths often need an extra effort at the end while opening the barrels, after the ejectors have tripped, to fully cock the hammers.

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As mentioned the timing on these guns are sensitive and if off by a very small amount can be a problem. I had a high end Garbi that 1 side sometime failed to cock completely but the safety sear was pushed into place.


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The gun should cock. and you can feel it .then it should eject it should not eject then cock the tumbler .i wouldn't mess with the the sear and bent I would look at the ejector in the forend .and I wouldn't modif a working part to make a worn one work

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May I ask which style of ejectors?

If like the Southgate, the above is highly likely.

If Grant patent ejectors (look for cylinder), then take a look at the whole system. These had a coil spring. If that isn’t the right metal with the right tension…

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Baker south gate and deeley the sear goes in the bent then it ejects I don't know why any ejector would be timed any different I have never worked on a grant PaT .ejector but I don't see why it would be timed not to cock the action first

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Grant is like the Boss and the Baker I guess. The problem is the Grant mechanism is not robust. They frequently were also added after the fact.

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Drew. that is my line of thought. That the gun has to be fully opened after the ejectors activate to bring the hammers and sears to full engagement. If not fully opened it could be like short stroking a pump gun. There must be a reason for the barrel stop to allow the hammer and sears to come to full engagement. On the rare occasion if I feel that I have not performed the cocking sequence after ejection I close the gun and repeat the process and then load the next shells. The one time I duplicated the condition the cycle was not finished, not allowing the gun to come to full cock. As I said this gun has never given my any problems. Montana, the gun has the Grant patent ejectors used prior to 1895 when they transitioned to the simpler and more reliable ejector system. Finish and tolerances of the cocking parts have a very small window to time the cycle. The parts do not exhibit any wear that I can note. Everything operates freely and smoothly.

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