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There was three brothers that lived in my area that used 12 gauge A5 Brownings with high power #9 shells and they were deadly on a covey rise hunting quail. Bobby

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American herpetologists are quick to say that no American venomous snakes are aggressive. That may be, but I've encountered a few big, rusty cottonmouths that had serious anger management issues. They don't try to get in the bateau with you because they are wanting to be friends. We've broken a few fine, handmade cypress paddles upon bringing them to bear edgewise across the backs of big, swimming cottonmouths alongside the boat. I doubt they eat many mice in the creeks and sloughs, either..


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Rattlers when encountered almost always back away from you. Moccasins often come right at you. Just my observations...Geo

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And the child will put his hand in the viper’s den…

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…We've broken a few fine, handmade cypress paddles upon bringing them to bear edgewise across the backs of big, swimming cottonmouths alongside the boat…


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I have been on a trip and had little time to read here, but I just read through this thread. I have never used #9 lead on game birds, but got a bag cheap and shot clays with it; seemed to work ok for that.

I haven't seen it mentioned in the thread, but I guess the assumption was that we are talking about lead #9 only. And while it may have limited uses, #9 tungsten is a different story. It is great for turkey hunting where you are trying to kill him by hitting the head or neck. There are also folks using it in waterfowl loads, most often duplexed with much larger steel shot.

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I got this TSS info straight from Apex ammo....

"A TSS #9 pellet weighs 1.2 grains. #9's are the perfect TSS pellet size. More energy than lead 4's and equal energy to hevi shot 5's."

When I mentioned that according to one of my handloading manuals a lead #7 shot weighs 1.50 grains and lead #4 pellet weighs 3.30 grains they went into a density tail spin....

I'm still waiting on someone to explain to me how a lighter pellet leaving the muzzle at the same velocity could have more energy than a heavier pellet....when I questioned them on that they wanted to claim the #9 was more aerodynamic.

Only thing harder than TSS is the peoples head that fell for it.

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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
And the child will put his hand in the viper’s den…

Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
…We've broken a few fine, handmade cypress paddles upon bringing them to bear edgewise across the backs of big, swimming cottonmouths alongside the boat…


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You hit and don't kill a big swimming cottonmouth with a boat paddle and he might be riding in the boat with you....in my experiences with them they can be one of the most aggressive poisonous snakes out there especially in the spring.

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Originally Posted by HomelessjOe
I got this TSS info straight from Apex ammo....

"A TSS #9 pellet weighs 1.2 grains. #9's are the perfect TSS pellet size. More energy than lead 4's and equal energy to hevi shot 5's."

When I mentioned that according to one of my handloading manuals a lead #7 shot weighs 1.50 grains and lead #4 pellet weighs 3.30 grains they went into a density tail spin....

I'm still waiting on someone to explain to me how a lighter pellet leaving the muzzle at the same velocity could have more energy than a heavier pellet....when I questioned them on that they wanted to claim the #9 was more aerodynamic.

Only thing harder than TSS is the peoples head that fell for it.

jOe, one of these days you are going to try TSS and kill a couple of gobblers you know you couldn't have with lead shot. Until you see it for yourself I know you will never believe it, but there are a number of advantages to TSS, including the ability to shoot lightweight guns, reduced recoil, and the effectiveness of the ammunition. Besides that, you will never know the feeling of unlimited wealth one gets when he knows that every shot costs him $7.50 and he has to sight in his shotgun using that expensive ammo...Geo

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"You hit and don't kill a big swimming cottonmouth with a boat paddle and he might be riding in the boat with you....in my experiences with them they can be one of the most aggressive poisonous snakes out there especially in the spring".

Every North GA frog gigger knows that you don't kill cotton mouth and copperhead snakes with the flat of a boat pattern; you use the edge of the paddle blade. In two pieces snakes can't/don't jump or climb. This method works every time provided you make contact; snakes can swim incredibly fast and can be by you in an instant! I also learned that gigging from a boat with someone who is deathly afraid of snakes can be more dangerous than the snake.

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["I also learned that gigging from a boat with someone who is deathly afraid of snakes can be more dangerous than the snake." Topgun]


That's a fact! I've gone home soaked more than once when a buddy freaked out over a snake...Geo

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