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I have around 250 rounds of 9.3x70R, all Berdan primed. They all have a lead, round nose bullet except for a very small number which have a lead Spitzer-style. The ammo has been questionably stored and some of it shows corrosion on the brass case. I have no idea if they are reloads or (once) new. I have searched a bit on the 'net but see no rifles chambered as such and no ammo to speak of. I have no use for it and would like to move it along.

Any ideas of value or where it might be appreciated?

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Hoot, x70R or x72R? Who was the maker, DWM, RWS or? I could use some of either to make 9.3x57R (360) and have a few Berdan primers on hand. If they have been loaded with black powder for a long time there may be internal problems. If they are 9.3x72R, someone with a rifle for it might want them just to shoot but may not want to if BP. Of course, the big problem is the legality of shipping loaded ammo and the hazardous shipping hoops to jump through. Good luck. If they have lead bullets, they have probably been reloaded. I think most commercial ones have used soft metal jacketed ones for a long time.

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I don't know what Hoot has, but there was a 9.3x70 R. It wasn't chambered in nearly as many rifles as 9.3x72 R. I suspect that when the 9.3x72R was standardized and a lot of 9.3x72R-E and 9.3x72R-D rifles were re-chambered to 9.3x72R-N ( standardized), It is possible that some( many?) 9.3x70 R were also rechambered. The D and E versions of 9.3x72R did not require new proof after re-chambering, but I'm not sure about re-chambered 9.3x70R. I'm sure it was loaded with lead bullets, but not sure if only lead bullets. I'm pretty sure the Berdan primers used were the 6.45mm (.254") M71 primer, the same as old 9.3x72R primers. Ammo must be shipped through "common carrier", not USPS, and some local offices may be unsure of the regs.
HalfaDouble,
You can also make 9.3x57R(360) from more common 9.3x72R or Starline original length 38-55( 2.124-2.130") cases( my choice) or their "basic" case.

It is likely that the ammo will have a lot that fail to fire, and those that do fire may have the cases ruined by mercuric primers( If the box doesn't say quicksilber frei, they are mercuric). All that said, if no one else wants them, and they are cheap enough, I will take them.
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Mike, how does that work out for you? I checked the dimensions and the 38-55 has a rim .020 too large, a base .008 too small, and will only make 54mm in length using the long ones. Besides, these days 9.3x72R brass is just as easy to come by as 38-55;-) I was just what-iffing with Hoot. I have 3 rifles in 9.3x57R (360) and plenty of brass for them I've made from 9.3x72R. I had a 9.3x82R rifle one time and that was a little trickier to feed properly.

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HalfaDouble, for sure it's 9.3x70R. I got them with the thought of cutting them down for my 9.3x57R/360. The fellow I got them from thought they were x72's but didn't know anything else. With the Berdan primers, it looked like a lot of work for a single use (for me). I don't know if they are loaded with BP or not. I suppose I could dismantle one and see. I didn't pay any attention to the headstamp so I had to go look. Of a sample of 6, 5 have "H. UTENDOERFFER" over "NURNBERG' which I assume is manufacturer and city. The sixth was marked with a single "N" and "9.3x72R" but measures 70mm leading me to believe these are indeed reloads.

Der Ami, condition is not terrible but certainly not pristine. Of course, I cannot vouch for their effectiveness. Also, no box---all loose rounds. May I send you a PM for further discussion?

Note: If a sale occurs, I will contribute to Dave.

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HalfaDouble,
The smaller head diameter is close enough to make little if any difference, especially if centered in the chamber on the first firing. This is where the larger rim diameter comes in. Where the rim is lager than the rim recess ( some rim recesses are large enough), I reduce the rim to fit, also centering the case( don't forget to put a radius on the inside corner) . Most rims also need thinning, .010-.015". I do this from the rear, which also removes the confusing head stamp, but normally requires deepening the primer pocket with a Lyman primer pocket uniformer. Just load the bullets "out" to the desired overall length. You can use 30-30 the same way, but are really really short. Before boxer primed 9.3x72R cases became available, 38-55 ( original length) cases were often used this way for 6.5x58R S&S, 8x58R S&S, 9x58 1/2 R S&S, 8x57R (360), and 9.3x 57R (360). Then the only other choice was re-drawing 30-06 or 30-40 (or 303 Brit.) cases. Scarce 9.3x72R cases are still fresh enough in my mind ( also I have lathes) that I don't like to shorten any except under unusual cases.

Hoot,
H. UTENDOERFFER/ NURENBERG was the predecessor of RWS. Of course you can PM me, any time you want to.
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Thanks for the details, Mike.


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