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Thanks for that Brent. I have been meaning to try paper patching for an old Sauer I have but haven't worked up the "round to'it" yet. Do you mind if I also e-mail you?

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Please do.


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Originally Posted by BrentD
18 hrs later, the photos of the Sharps cartridges didn't make it through. Lets try again.

I don't know what is so difficult about posting a photo on this forum that it would take over 18 hours.

It took me less than a minute to find and save this photo of various Sharps Paper Patched cartridges, and then about another 15 seconds to attach it to this post. Easy-Peasy... a Caveman could do it!

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And maybe it's just me, but I'd rather not take reloading advice from anyone who blew up a rifle due to a reloading error, and then blamed everything except the powder over-charge.


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Today I took delivery of a Thomas Hepplestone double rifle in 450 3 1/4" BPE. I am very pleased with its condition and look forward to shooting it. It came with 36 Jamison cases so I have pretty much a lifetimes supply of cases. I need a bullet mold and will most likely just make one. Paper patch of course. I would be interested in dimensions of bullets others are using in their 450 BPE. In the neighborhood of 270 to 300 grns. I am going to make my mold adjustable for length and point pour. Any help would be appreciated.

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The correct bullet diameter for the 450 BPE is .450. Wrap it with 11 to 16 lb paper and you'll be fine.
The original Kynoch and Eley bullets are this diameter, and the Kynoch factory drawings show a 1 in 12 alloy. Make sure you use only a lead/tin alloy, or the bullets will not obturate correctly.
They seem to work fine in any bore configuration I've tried, remember, a good double 450 is a 3-4" grouper at 100 yards. Plenty good for hunting.

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Originally Posted by Mike Rowe
The correct bullet diameter for the 450 BPE is .450. Wrap it with 11 to 16 lb paper and you'll be fine.
The original Kynoch and Eley bullets are this diameter, and the Kynoch factory drawings show a 1 in 12 alloy. Make sure you use only a lead/tin alloy, or the bullets will not obturate correctly.
They seem to work fine in any bore configuration I've tried, remember, a good double 450 is a 3-4" grouper at 100 yards. Plenty good for hunting.

While I prefer and recommend only Pb/Sn bullets generally, plenty of people have proven that antimony and non-zinc wheel weights can be used effectively (which might be helpful given the current state of Sn availability and price).

Personally, I prefer a 9# paper, but the 11# will be fine, IF the bullet and bore diameters are compatible with it. In the end, the best way to go is to pick the paper you like, measure it carefully (on a mandrel, for example) and then order a custom mould to fit. Then you might want to think about what sort of load you want. You can shoot anything from sub-land diameter to Groove+2 diameter depending on the shape of the throat and the way you want to manage fouling and handle your cartridges.


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Originally Posted by Mike Rowe
The correct bullet diameter for the 450 BPE is .450. Wrap it with 11 to 16 lb paper and you'll be fine.
The original Kynoch and Eley bullets are this diameter, and the Kynoch factory drawings show a 1 in 12 alloy. Make sure you use only a lead/tin alloy, or the bullets will not obturate correctly.
They seem to work fine in any bore configuration I've tried, remember, a good double 450 is a 3-4" grouper at 100 yards. Plenty good for hunting.

Thanks Mike for your valued response.

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LRF If you'll PM me your address, I'll send you a couple of my bullets for you to copy if you're going to make a mould. They work very well in Enfield, Metford, Henry and (of course) Fraser barrels. No sense in reinventing the wheel.

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I was able to obtain a qty of 270 grain hollow point copper tubed bullets. Here is a picture of them. They are quite nice. Can't wait for winter to break so I can go test them.
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