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well, most likely the barrels walls are too thin anyway...an then there is the possibility that installing screwy tubes may change the regulation of one or both barrels...which causes some buyers to hesitate or pass...

opening chokes is a far more practical idea...i would think...

and of course, there is the fact that different ammo brands and different loads sometimes provide different patterns in the same gun...

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It's YOUR gun.

I had Briley thin walled chokes put into a John Rigby side lever side lock that had been sleeved. The extra full and modified that the gun was bored for wasn't of much use to me.


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Originally Posted by SKB
Originally Posted by John Roberts
I wouldn't hesitate the least bit to put thinwall Briley choke tubes in any shooter, regardless of who made it. A really pristine American classic might give me pause, but certainly no English or European boxlock. Or sidelock either, for that matter...
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It has nothing do do with opinion, adding chokes tubes takes the gun out of proof, an in proof British Sidelock is always worth more than the same gun out of proof. Guys who write big checks for British sidelocks get this.


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Originally Posted by John Roberts
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Originally Posted by John Roberts
I wouldn't hesitate the least bit to put thinwall Briley choke tubes in any shooter, regardless of who made it. A really pristine American classic might give me pause, but certainly no English or European boxlock. Or sidelock either, for that matter...
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🤦🤦 Please do not believe everything you read on the internets. A shooter grade boxlock you will not hurt the value much, a nice sidelock.....NO, Never.
Nothing to do with "believing everything you read on the "internets". Strictly one opinion vs another. Yours is no better than mine or vice versa.
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If you keep confronting SKB with facts and the truth, John, you are going to find yourself censored or "moderated".

Actually, the advice given by ed good made as much sense as anything posted here... unless the ultimate goal is interchangeable chokes. In that event, jOe's advice to avoid notchless choke tubes makes sense, assuming the muzzles are thick enough to accommodate them.


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Originally Posted by SKB
It has nothing do do with opinion, adding chokes tubes takes the gun out of proof, an in proof British Sidelock is always worth more than the same gun out of proof. Guys who write big checks for British sidelocks get this.

What does it matter in the U. S. of A., where there's never been a proof house for firearms, and especially if we are talking shooters, which I thought was the case? Pretty sure guys who write big checks for British sidelocks can find all the "in proof" guns they want without thinwalls installed. Nobody is saying someone should, would, or could take an $80,000 Purdey down to Briley and get thinwalls installed just to prove they don't care about proof.
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It matters because the market recognizes the value difference, you might not get it but the buyers of really good British guns do get it. Low dollars shooters sure, but your statement was that you would only hesitate installing tubes on pristine American guns. Plenty of sub 80K British guns would take a beating value wise if you added choke tubes to them. They are not all collector pieces to be sure but pretty much any British sidelock over 10K is going to be much harder to sell if it is out of proof.

People pay more for numbers matching muscle car than they do for one with a new crate motor in it, why? Because the market places greater value on originality. The concept is not that different than paying more for an in proof gun

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Originally Posted by John Roberts
A really pristine American classic might give me pause, but certainly no English or European boxlock. Or sidelock either, for that matter...
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It appeared from this statement to me you were talking better guns than you linked to. Those guns above are all well used, and minus the Wild it would be hard to hurt them much. Even the Wild would suffer a value hit from adding choke tubes to it though. It is hard to sell guns for close to 10 K if they are not in proof.


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Be sure you have enough wall thickness. I once had Briley install thin walls into a 12 gauge Sauer and looking down the barrel on the outside I could see tiny bulges where the threads were cut inside. Bothered the heck out of me but few other people would have seen it.


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