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Experts and Aficionados,

I am not an expert on double guns but have come into possession of one and am trying to decipher what I can. Any help with this puzzle would be greatly appreciated!

First, I believe it was made by "H. Roedl in Prag" (Heinrich Roedl in Prague, Hungary--now Czechoslovakia)
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This is the first proof mark. It is hard to read but I think it is the first proof firing black powder, Weipert Proof House.
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This is the second proof mark. It is the second proof firing black powder; Weipert Proof House
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This is a barrel marking. I believe it indicates that it is the 840th gun manufactured in 1897--I could be wrong!
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This one has me stumped. This is stamped on the underside of the bridge between the two barrels.
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These are some faint marks off of each barrel. The faint numbers seem to correspond to the same number on the above image. I can't find the barrel proof mark referenced anywhere.
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Nearly every part is stamped with a "1". Here is the watertable:
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Note the gold inlay at the base (breech face) of the barrels:
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Views of the action:
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[img]https://i.postimg.cc/bJzvXQ45/IMG-0093.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/442xMHP8/IMG-0094.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/KYbGLPcY/IMG-0099.jpg[/img]

And a couple of more pics:
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/zXDPLV11/IMG-0108.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/d1m43KH1/IMG-0110.jpg[/img]


If you have any insight, I would greatly appreciate it!

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>>This is a barrel marking. I believe it indicates that it is the 840th gun manufactured in 1897--I could be wrong!
[img]https://postimg.cc/dLL8jbj8[/img]<<


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This is the preliminary datastring. It is the 1st pass..... It is Nr. 875(?) with one tube having a diameter of 15.6mm and the other being 15.2mm in 1897.


There is an ongoing Roedl thread in the basement in the German & Austrian Section.....


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>>These are some faint marks off of each barrel. The faint numbers seem to correspond to the same number on the above image. I can't find the barrel proof mark referenced anywhere.
[img]https://postimg.cc/KKFkwwBp[/img]
[img]https://postimg.cc/zVgyB8kP[/img]<<

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Belgian sourced as typical.

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The concern became Josef Wenish dříve H. Roedl Praha or Josef Wenish vormals H. Roedl Praha.

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It is a Belgian Lefaucheux platform sourced by an Austro-Hungarian retailer. Very long history of this sourcing.


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Is the lock >>stepped<< by chance?

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>>Dvouhlavnové lankasterky vlastní výroby<<

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The longarm of which you are a custodian looks to be the 3rd one in the following advert?

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Puškař H. Roedl of Prague looks to have been a businessman also as he was the sole representative in Austria in 1901 for Ludwig Loewe. I believe this has been mentioned prior.


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As observed, the high quality Bernard I 'rough forged tubes' were sourced in Belgium.

At the time of First Obligatory (Provisional) Proof for “Double-Barreled Breech-Loading Sporting Guns” - breech plugged tubes - the tubes were marked with Script EL of Banc D'Epreuves Des Armes a Feu De Liege and a controller’s identification mark.

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The bore was 15.6 = .614" = 20g; the muzzle was 15.2 = .598".

The 1.375 is the barrel weight in Kg at the time of final proof = 3.031 #. If the barrels weigh > 3% less now, they are considered out of proof by the Belgium Proof House.

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