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Keith,
no dount there are products that get tghrough QA/QC that are not up to par.

the issue here is that this gun was sold with a set of barrels with a chamber cut too deep, hence excess headspace, hence out of spec. if Dickinson simply replaced the barrels, all would have been good.

My friend/client simply cant tolerate the gun any longer. He knows its damaged goods and now, regardless of what the factory says, he wont keep it. kind of like finding out your girlfriend cheated on you and then apoligized and swore she would never do it again. the relationship will never be the same, just like this gun.

the gun will be offered for sale with full disoclosure of the issue with the 28 ga barrels.


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yeah, an keet...kinda shoddy of you to bad mouth old ed here...

ed lander was my go to gunsmith for about 20 years, for most repair and refinish work...old ed is 94 now and is retired...

some history...ed lander appreticed with kirkland bros.in boston in his mid teens...in 1944, he was drafted into the u.s. army...because of his gunsmithing training, he became an armorer...he worked first at an arms repair depot in italy and later at the fn factory in belgium...upon his discharge in 1946, he started a general gunsmithing business in massachusetts and in the 1970's, moved back to new hampshire, where he was born and raised...old retired in 2020, after working as a general gunsmith for almost 75 years!

he always did fine work for me...his first priority for any gun work he did was safety...if asked to do something to a gun that he felt was not safe , he would refuse the work...myself and others miss old ed and his abilities as a general gunsmith...

as to the headspace problem described here, old ed would just smile and say, sorry, cant help you with that...

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Originally Posted by Brian
Keith,
no dount there are products that get tghrough QA/QC that are not up to par.

the issue here is that this gun was sold with a set of barrels with a chamber cut too deep, hence excess headspace, hence out of spec. if Dickinson simply replaced the barrels, all would have been good.

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Brian, that is essentially what I said. In addition, I am questioning whether the Bubba repair might actually present a safety hazard now that a large portion of the shotshell rims are unsupported at the moment of firing.

In my opinion. I think it would have been best for Dickenson to simply replace the entire gun. I seriously doubt if their repair facility has the means, skills, or materials to make or fit a new set of barrels... especially since they apparently don't even stock replacement ejectors.

Replacing the entire gun would also have been a better choice from the standpoint of customer relations. If someone in my company handled a defective product claim in this manner, I am quite sure he would soon be out of a job. Perhaps at this point, your next move should be to forward this entire Thread to someone much higher up in the Dickenson organization. Someone with more clout and more brains might realize just how valuable it is to maintain a good reputation. Good luck.


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Originally Posted by ed good
yeah, an keet...kinda shoddy of you to bad mouth old ed here...

Ed, I used the example of your gunsmith friend Old Ed simply because of the great number of times people here criticized work that you attributed to him.... mostly torch coloring of shotgun actions. I absolutely did not bad mouth him here.

Sorry that you were unable to grasp that. Maybe you can give Old Ed a call and ask him how he would have handled repairs on a new double with excessive headspace.


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Why couldn’t they have welded up the chamber lip and re-machined the headspace area where the rim of the cartridge sits and then replace/fit a new extractor? Would have been cheaper than a new set of barrels. That tig weld job on the extractor seat was bubba at his best.


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Welding the rim and recutting the rim recess would be a real trick. The standard repair is to soft solder in a ring and cut it to proper depth. Brownell's has sold kits in the past to accomplish this repair.


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Is this POS double a monoblocked barrel design. High heat input from TIG would most likely pull the barrel chamber at the rim "Out of Round" and as heat transfers through a pipe (gun barrel) you would have to use a copper plug to dam or localize the heat, which when input of same hits the rim, will move around the circle of the rim and chamber- odds are about 9 to 1 you will do far more harm than good. Agree with the "Bubba" analysis of the build-up weld as shown in the foto. RWTF

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All true and then you have the additional issue of reamer chatter. Reamers are designed to work on smooth surfaces, which Tig welds are not. It might be able to be done via laser welding but likely not at a reasonable price point.


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keet, some here do not like some of old ed's case color work...some do...most dont care...

bottom line...all of the guns recolored by old ed for me were sold years ago...with no complaints...and no returns...

and your ignorance of old eds work as a general gunsmith is apparent...

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"old Ed's ---most don't care-- I do, somewhar, as the late old Edward and yours truly both share a background as Armorers working for Uncle Sam. Granted, a detail strip of a M-1 Garand is not the same as timing the ejectors on a Boss or Parker- and Eddie, I am not surprised at your remark about "No returns"-- Your policy on that has more "boilerplate" clauses than a boatload of Philadelphia lawyers could dream up-- 180 degrees away from that of the lates: Bill Jaqua, Thad Scott and Don Criswell-hands down.. RWTF


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