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I just happened to be reading an older Shooting Sportsman and saw a pic of Cyril Adams with a pair of BIW hammer guns, enough said


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Toby, I am surprised that you have not noticed bar in wood conversions. I , for the last several years have enjoyed pinfire guns and have shot them with some success. If one looks closely like I have, one can see many Pinfire s converted to center fire. Westley Richards, I have seen a dozen or more, did a fine job of converting to center fire. Some are quite magnificently done. A friend has a Purdey center fire conversion that went through at least muzzle loader and pinfire configuration before becoming a center fire. Actually, I seem to remember that it may have started as a flintlock, but it was years ago, and I’m not sure. A friend enjoys William Powells and their conversions to center fire are not uncommon. Many American conversions were made, too. I have a fine Genez that used Williams and Powell locks, barrels, etc to convert to pinfire. Many makers on all continents advertised that they did conversion work.

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sounds wonderful...even if you pay too much, hits still wonderful...


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I have a beautiful BiW Lang, but I don't know that I like the BiW style better than any other hammer lock style.


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I do like the bar in wood style in a sidelock hammer gun. That being said, I actually prefer the bar in iron look. My boss and Woodward hammer guns are bar in iron sidelocks (1871&1872) and I must say they are sharp. It is amazing how well the Victorian craftsman filed up those early hammer guns. My favourite wood bar guns are most definitely the skeleton round actions.


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This is a fine example of classic BIW form, with good pictures, and showcases how much of the action bar, and forend iron, etc., could be "encased" in wood.

http://www.hallowellco.com/bar-in-wood.htm

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When I got out of the military in November of 1969, my first stop was to a local gun shop that I had visited for many years. I spied a cased Westley Richards bar in wood eight gauge with two boxes of Remington shells fitted in the case. The gun was stone mint, never been hunted, with all finish intact, even the buttplate and trigger guard were pristine. The price was $685, a sum that would consume all of my unused leave fund. Oh well, I bit the bullet and still own that wonderful piece. As soon as I got the gun home, I loaded some black powder loads in Winchester paper industrial empties and shot a 25 straight the first time I shot skeet with it. It's hard to miss a skeet target with a chokeless eight gauge.

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I have an 1880 Purdey bar-in-wood hammergun with original steel barrels that were nitro proved in the early 1900's. I have taken my share of upland birds with it and an occasional round of skeet. The gun has never never needed a single repair but I have prettied it somewhat. I'm sure it will continue to function flawlessly for many, many years.
Like Eightbore, I have owned my Purdey for nearly 50 years and the initial purchase did indeed hurt the pocket book. But, in hind sight it has given me may years of enjoyment.
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Originally Posted by Daryl Hallquist
Toby, I am surprised that you have not noticed bar in wood conversions. I , for the last several years have enjoyed pinfire guns and have shot them with some success. If one looks closely like I have, one can see many Pinfire s converted to center fire. Westley Richards, I have seen a dozen or more, did a fine job of converting to center fire. Some are quite magnificently done. A friend has a Purdey center fire conversion that went through at least muzzle loader and pinfire configuration before becoming a center fire. Actually, I seem to remember that it may have started as a flintlock, but it was years ago, and I’m not sure. A friend enjoys William Powells and their conversions to center fire are not uncommon. Many American conversions were made, too. I have a fine Genez that used Williams and Powell locks, barrels, etc to convert to pinfire. Many makers on all continents advertised that they did conversion work.

I have no doubt you are correct that they are more common than one might think. I was assuming you were talking ML to CF which is considerably less common than PF to CF. I have no doubt that if you are looking for them, PF to CF will pop up a lot. However, as I only have an interest in guns that are proofed for, or reproof-able for, modern nitro loads, anything with pinfire barrels are quickly passed by. I have reproofed a couple successfully in the past but with the stricter proof tests nowadays, it seems a pretty dodgy proposition. As regards the numbers of original CF BiW against PF - CF BiW, I would say that I have probably seen a 10 -1 ratio over the last 20 years. As to the chance of misidentifying a PF - CF conversion as an original CF, I feel there are so many indicators of PF origins that I would be surprised if I wasn't suspicious if not total sure in 99% of cases. Of course the whole gun can be reworked into the 'modern' idiom but you can't 'invent' the chamber walls of a CF from the slim lines of a PF. Only the very earliest CF had such light chamber walls and most were probably destroyed when nitro powder came along.

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BiW hammerguns are the apotheosis of shotgun elegance.

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