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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Salut, Fab 500,
The only pictures I have of the V20 are slides. Larry Brown published an article that my V20 was photographed for, if he retained the proofs, he may have a picture.
I haven’t owned the gun for many years. It is a V20 2 barrels set, that was restocked in American black walnut, a fantastic job, according to Herve’ Bruchet. The serial number was in the 50,000 range.

Merci’.

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Ted, was the article in Double Gun Journal or Shooting Sportsman? Good chance I have the magazine in my files.

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Larry,
Shooting Sportsman. The article was on French guns.

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Thanks. I can't find it in my computer files, but I probably have that SSM issue stashed somewhere. I'll take a look.

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Salut Ted,

Sur ce lien, il y a un très beau V20 : https://www.morphyauctions.com/jame...urs-grade-sliding-breech-game-gun-35855/

D'après les marquages, je situerais sa fabrication entre 1910 et 1913.
Les canons à l'état fini ont subi la triple épreuve 4 palmes antérieure à 1924, qui se composait de 30 grammes de poudre noire et 180 grammes de plomb, et qui développait une pression de plus ou moins 2000 kg / cm2

Tout collectionneur français qui aime les Darne aimerait avoir un tel fusil qui est assez rare même en France.

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Alors, Fab, the Morphy text at the beginning writes that the gun has 2-3/4 inch chambers but later notes the chambers are 65 mm which is what the proof mark reads. Possibly chambers lengthened in USA...
Best for the New Year,
Tim

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Merci Fab. For the Murphey Darne....
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-- Chambers are marked in cm. i.e: It was made between 1889 and summer 1912.
-- It is proofed for PT so it was made after 1900.
-- The SN 14696 indicates it were made 1903-4?
(I once had estimated the yearly output of Darne from 1 to 50,000 in 1910 but can't find it):

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=484199&page=10

Ted has warned of inconsistencies in Geoffroy Gournet's serial number and date list for Darne guns:
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On the above line, there are two Darnes pictured with SN's that may be very close to what the chart claims:
-- Per dated Didier-Drevet barrels the changeover from cm to mm occurred in summer 1912;
-- The two "C" series Darne numbers below - one with cm, one with mm - were probably made around 1912 if Darne made 2,600 guns from 1910 to 1912.
-- C692, a 12 gauge with a chamber stamp "6.5".
-- C643, a 20 gauge with a chamber stamp "70".

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C643
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That Morphy Darne is a real beauty!

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
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Shooting Sportsman. The article was on French guns.

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Ted

Found it. July/Aug 02. Do you have a copy of the magazine, Ted? Somebody did some nice gun photography.

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Larry,
Me. Me and my little Canon TX. Vic Venters asked for a few Darne photos. I think he even paid for them.

I don’t have the magazine. The pictures I have of that V20 are slides, as that was mostly what I shot back then.

For what it is worth, the Morphy gun blows my former V20 away. The Morphy gun also is the older V patent, but, the pad really sucks.

Gene, I have been told the list is pretty dang close for guns sold in Europe. The problems arise on exported guns. There was no incentive to keep track of guns they never expected to see again.

Best,
Ted


Bonjour Fab
J'ai vu très peu d'armes à feu qui ont passé l'ancienne Français d'avant 1924 triple preuve. Le fusil Morphy est un bel exemple, et très rare aux États-Unis aussi. Magnifique! Nous avons ici des armuriers qui croient qu'un Darne est un fusil de mauvaise qualité. Ne leur prêtez aucune attention.

De plus, Lonny est un idiot.

Meilleurs regards,

Ted
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Prouvez-moi que j’ai tort.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Larry,
Shooting Sportsman. The article was on French guns.

Best,
Ted

Found it. July/Aug 02. Do you have a copy of the magazine, Ted? Somebody did some nice gun photography.

Salut Argo,

J'espère que tu as passé de bonnes vacances au soleil.
Je te souhaite une bonne année, ainsi qu'à tous les membres du forum.

La première chose importante : il est impossible de dater précisément un Darne par rapport à son numéro de série.

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Voici une photo d'un canon Darne..
Sur cette photo, on voit que les canons sont montés par frettage, qui est un brevet déposé en 1902 par Darne.
Les étoiles qui désignent le modèle (V19) seront remplacées en 1906 / 1907 par des pastilles que tout le monde connait.
La mention "médaille d'or" sera aussi remplacée dans la même période par celle "hors concours".

Je n'ai pas mis une photo de la monture, mais celle-ci est à long bois. A partir de 1906, elle sera en 2 parties.

Par rapport à ces éléments, j'estime la fabrication de ce fusil entre 1902 et 1906.

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