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I was running low on Mark Lee Express Blue this morning and was just wondering what would happen if I used the Mark Lee Express Browning solution (excellent for Browning, BTW) as a bluing solution. Just curious. Thanks, Gil
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They are both listed together on one MSDS sheet. The haz chems are potasium chlorate <10% ,,the same stuff that fired corrosive primers makes steel rust I believe and iron trichloride <5%
Might be a slight difference in the concentration in each product,,just a guess of course. But if it rusts the metal,,boiling will turn that brown rust to blue/black.
I use Laurel Mtn Rust Brown Soln for all my slow rust bluing..same result,, boil it and it turns blue/black. I do use Mark Lee's Express Rust Blue soln as well.
Was a time when I used BirchWood Casey Muzzle Loader Quick Bbl Brown for Express Rust Bluing. Same result with boiling,,turns it blueblack. That worked good as it had mercury bi-choride in it. They took it off the market of course when the world went Green and just as well. The newer stuff is Merc free, probably has like what Mark Lee's stuff has in it but I never tried it since using Lee's soln.
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AFTER BOILING, I DO NOT THINK THERE WILL BE MUCH DIFFERENCE. TRY IT ON A SMALL PORTION FIRST.
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I don’t know about the ingredients in each solution…but there is a huge difference in how the solutions look when compared side by side. The express blue solution is much lighter in color than the express brown fwiw. I don’t really care for the color the express brown gives. Way too copper toned for my taste.
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[quote=Kutter]They are both listed together on one MSDS sheet. The haz chems are potasium chlorate <10% ,,the same stuff that fired corrosive primers makes steel rust I believe and iron trichloride <5%
Wow. Potassium Chlorate is some "bad stuff" and it should be handled with extreme caution. It reacts vigorously, and in some cases spontaneously ignites or explodes. I would be pleased that someone else was mixing that into a solution I was going to use instead of me doing it.
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Potassium Chlorate is mixed in a soln,,you buy it as Mark Lee's Express Brown or Blue Soln. It's been on the market for about 40 years and no one has ever had a bottle of it explode that I've heard of. You can make your own potassium chlorate from common bleach and potassium chloride salt substitute. Yes it's a strong oxidizer and needs to be separate from certain other chemicals. But so do alot of other common chemicals and compounds. Iron Trichloride is more commonly known as Ferric Chloride. Damascus etch is the common gun finishing use and it's also found in many rust bluing formulas. This is Rust Brown Soln,,,,,Boiled and carded
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Kutter;
Please do not misinterpret what I wrote about the concerns about Potassium Chlorate. I was writing about its concerning nature as a stand alone chemical, NOT in a mixture of bluing solution--of which I would not have concerns---hence I wrote that I would be pleased that some other person was mixing it into a solution and not me.
Nice engraving on the butt plate of your photos. Who did the engraving?
Stephen Howell
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Sorry, that was my mistake... Engraving is mine on a Meriden Model 1915 pump .22 Deluxe that I restored and upgraded. Was badly power buffed and hot blued. Left to rust a bit. Wood was left alone,,so I just cleaned it up with linseed on a cloth and left it alone. Nice orig wood finish and checkering. Bore is excl,,shoots very nice,,StdVel only of course.. I polished the metal to regain flats and straight lines and added my own scroll pattern engraving. Meriden did engrave some of these deluxe M1915's,,but my layout pattern isn't anything close to what the factory offered and it's signed and marked So there's no attempt to move it as an orig Deluxe 'Engraved'. The name could be removed of course and then the rifle passed off as anything someone wants to tell you it is. I have had that occur. Here are some pics of the Meriden I don't know why they come out so large....
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Kutter;
Your work is lovely, and beautifully executed. In short, a joy to behold. Everything about it is masterfully: the scrolls, shading, stipling, the form of the flowers and their placements. You have your own style and it shows through in this work as it did in the buttplate of the previous work. Few people can execute a nick and dot border in an understated but elegant way that you did on that butt plate.
Stephen Howell
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I concur with Mr. Howell. Beautiful work Kutter.
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