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I am willing to believe those lovely guns were made in Germany. Replace the scroll engraving with oak leaf & acorn . . .


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check out this image from guns international.......very close in appearance.


https://images.gunsinternational.co...Gun_101550378_64049_67C11C48182CA5B2.jpg

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That's a beautiful pair of guns. British over unders are much less popular that their side-by-sides.
A number of years ago I had a Graham boxlock ejector (side-by-side) and it was superbly made and handled well in the field.

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from diggory's library....https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/magazine/phallic-lancasters

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tom


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wow Grey beard thx for the link.

thats my lock for sure, I now have to go down and see if they are in fact hand detachable..........?

not sure what protruding pin he was talking about.

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Daryl, you are correct, the book is written by Geoffrey Boothroyd , title "The British over -and under and it is indicated that Lancaster O/U are from German Origine.
Page 16. So Mister Douglas Tate is correct in what he wrote.
Cheers, Marc.

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I looked at my locks and see that they are an exact duplication of the ones in Diggory's picture in the article on Lancaster o/u locks.
Although they do not appear to be the quick release plates, mine have a machine screw in the same place. I assume they would come apart by removing that screw.

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Wow - cool guns. Thank you for sharing.

Here's another version of this design by Lancaster:

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?lid=64732906

From the listing for that gun:

"According to Geoffrey & Susan Boothroyd in their book “The British Over-And-Under Shotgun” (Chapter 16), H.A.A. Thorn, the then owner of Charles Lancaster, took out a patent (No. 12,057 of May 14, 1910) for "providing double-barrelled guns, of the kind having superposed barrels, with ejector mechanism". Expanding on the fact that the patent is for ejectors only, a letter published in "The Field" magazine on June 30, 1910 is mentioned that confirms the guns were purchased ‘in the white’ from Germany and were finished and fitted with ejectors by Lancaster in London."

I've seen similar phallic-style locks on other Lancasters. They were all SxSs, and I don't believe the locks had a quick- or easy-detachable feature.

BTW: Here's the full GI listing for the sidelock shown above:
https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...2-1-2-quot-game-gun.cfm?gun_id=101550378

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You will search in vain for a maker's trade mark on the Graham pair. The last thing the manufacturers wanted the end user to know was who built them. In the event I'm wrong I would v. much like to hear from you.

You can view that exact Lancaster O/U, serial number 13,747, shown on the Guns International site in a photo essay I wrote captions for called "How the Brits Stack Up" which appeared in the July/Aug 1994 issue of SHOOTING SPORTSMAN. In the intervening 28 years since I have learnt nowt about Lancaster O/U's.

If you would like to see the inside of a Lancaster O/U sidelock there's a fair to good illustration (figure 4) on page 157 of Don Masters Atkin Grant & Lang.

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Originally Posted by Douglas Tate
You will search in vain for a maker's trade mark on the Graham pair. The last thing the manufacturers wanted the end user to know was who built them. In the event I'm wrong I would v. much like to hear from you.

You can view that exact Lancaster O/U, serial number 13,747, shown on the Guns International site in a photo essay I wrote captions for called "How the Brits Stack Up" which appeared in the July/Aug 1994 issue of SHOOTING SPORTSMAN. In the intervening 28 years since I have learnt nowt about Lancaster O/U's.

If you would like to see the inside of a Lancaster O/U sidelock there's a fair to good illustration (figure 4) on page 157 of Don Masters Atkin Grant & Lang.

Doug


Hello Doug, out of curiosity would these guns be classified British or German? I realise historically that guns built in the UK , with foreign tubes, were classed British, but these Lancasters appear to have a great percentage of foreign build. Thanks for input thus far. Regards ,mrwmartin


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