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KY Jon, what is the value cutoff for needing a broker and not needing a broker, and how is that value established?

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You must declare the value for the Customs service and that was done by Holts at the time of shipping. It was also declared as a gun made before 1898, so a non gun to BATF and customs and an antique. I can not find my invoice from Holts to give you a accurate answer and the exchange rate has gone up. It was under a thousand, the figure I remember being told was equal to about 700.00 pounds. But with VAT, shipping and cost of the gun it is very easy to get to a thousand dollars quickly. Anything worth importing without doubt will end up needing an importer broker. They are not hard to find and it pays to shop for their fees vary a lot. You might get by without one if the gun was under say 500 pounds but are there many guns you would go to the trouble of importing for that price?

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I have imported several guns from the UK and from Giles Marriott. These Guns were both pre 1998 and we well over 4000 pounds. They were both shipped FED X. I picked up the guns at the airport myself with no broker needed. There was no mention of a price cut off for needing a broker. Maybe it is different with FED X in different states but I doubt it. If its an antique, no matter what the price you can pick it up at FED X yourself. That has been my experience everytime.


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Forgive my error in the previous post. Pre 1898 of course!


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12boreman, was this recently like in the last year? Half the problems were getting people to do what the rules and regulations said not what they just do or do because that’s how the always have done it. People are often mentally lazy and just want to take the easy path even if it requires you to jump through hoops. This was the first time I ran into a dollar value issue and according to my notes the gun and shipping ended up being over $1,000.00 with shipping. This was in "Covid" times and you could not go to Customs in person as they were doing everything by remote and phone contact was very bad.

I do recall American Airlines stopped accepting guns as freight, politics. When you have one transporter drop out prices will rise because less competition. Previously I had a 1890 gun shipped by AA and easily picked it up at the airport. No more. I used fedex before also with few issues. It might just be a squeeze play by anti gun people trying to make it more difficult to ship guns. I have run into that repeatedly at USPS. This almost makes me want to try it again just to see if it goes the same or better.

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Just to answer Eightbore's query. The definition of Antique as far as guns are concerned is different here in the U.K. Pre 1939 is the important point and also calibre/bore. If ammunition is deemed to be no longer readily available and it pre dates 1939 and not intended for use it passes as an Antique. Most of those 8 bore guns and 4 bore guns listed would be Antiques over here if not used otherwise they would have to be held on a certificate. He has not listed them as Antiques but he could do if so wished. For instance I have 2 eight bore guns, one I use (on certificate) and one I don't so held as an Antique (not on certificate). I should think that most will also predate your 1898 date so could be dealt with in you Antiques category. If interested then give him a call to explain your requirements. Things like 12 bores, 16 bore and 20 bores if breech loading here have to be on certificate regardless of age. Hope that helps a bit. Lagopus.....

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Thanks.

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Hm, I like the Watson Brothers (Pair) – 4 bore.
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We often see the American antique date as pre 1898. Actually, the correct date is pre 1899.

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Reminds me of our old, futile attempts to get original pre-1898 shotguns larger than 10 ga legal for waterfowling if non-toxic shot is used.

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