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Thanks Craig for the reference to that Golden Eagle study by Hunt. Very interesting.

58 % of deaths were by turbine/wire hit/electrocution. 3.5% of deaths were attributed to lead poisoning. I guess lead poisoning wins with the editors of the NYT when it comes to “attention getting article subjects that further our anti hunter anti gun agenda”.


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Cats, wind turbines and birds. 11 year old NYT article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/21/science/21birds.html#:~:text=By%20contrast%2C%20440%2C000%20birds%20are,grows%20to%20meet%20increased%20demand.

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Damn you Gil. You caused me to subscribe to the NYT.

In the good news department at $2 a month for a year, I'd say I'm just about getting value for my money.


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I believe the increase in eagle sightings is due to transplanting (but I don't know). We see them off and on close to the Georgia line in Alabama. The backwater lakes (West Point, Eufaula, Harding) provide pretty good habitat for them. Maybe we need bigger rifles if the bullets don't exit.
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Hummmm,

Those darn flying fish! Tuff to follow up on cripples! Which makes a quick meal for eagles!

As it can't be our perfect unpolluted waters

Political agendas to attack gun owners is 100% out of control. Not sure where I saw this latest attack to make it illegal to own military ammo. To mirror Mexico illegal ownership of 45 cal ammo as a military cartridge. The article targeted 9mm ammo.

I'll see if I can find the article

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Originally Posted by GLS
....11 year old NYT article....
I think the info is out there, I just found it interesting that a reference used by fed employees for policy agenda, cannot conclude if lead poisioning is a problem or confirm where it comes from, but the closing conclusion is to link lead to hunters. I thought that minimizing a cause, wind turbines, that should have eliminated, according to the authors, the Golden eagle population in that particular California habitat range, show what it means to, follow the science. Oh, well.

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We have seen a big increase in breeding Bald Eagles here also. There is a pair that nests in a big cottonwood a mile from my house. We see them most often on roadkilled mammals, especially deer, where they compete with coyotes. Further west, the Golden's compete with other raptors and scavenging mammals at prairie dog shooting sites. The Bald's here are notorious for following big flocks of migrant waterfowl, especially in the fall, so I have always wondered if the big increase might be partially attributable to the adoption of non-toxic shot, sort of like the return of swans to the Thames River in England when lead sinkers were banned. For rifles and big bore pistols, I would not mind a switch to solids for high-speed big game and varmint loads. Shotguns on upland game is a whole different situation, and I don't know if non-toxic dove loads are available. I'm still shooting an ounce of lead 8's at doves with my 16ga. We have steel shot only for all birds on our state wildlife management areas and refuges.

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Non-toxic dove loads are steel #7 and #6. Texas Game Commission did a study around 2008 (managed by Tom Roster) that found an ounce of steel in either size killed the same percentage of doves per shot fired as 1 1/8 oz of lead 7 1/2, the most popular load. The study was double blind, which means neither the shooters nor the observers knew what they were shooting. The cartridges were identical in appearance.

I bought a flat of steel #7 from Bass Pro Shop for $100 last summer, to use in a public dove shoot area in which non-toxic shot is required. I don't shoot them in old doubles, of course. I have a modern gun with fixed IC choke for such occasions.


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Originally Posted by Hal
The Bald's here are notorious for following big flocks of migrant waterfowl, especially in the fall..

There's a 500 acre reservoir within our city limits. I travel across the bridge daily that traverses it. For decades, there have been large rafts of wintering coots on it. A few years ago, we had a nesting pair of bald eagles setup shop there. Today, there are zero coots here. None.
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Banning lead shot hasn't helped the duck populations.

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