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Have them cut enough (1/4"?) and have a new bead installed. Sh*t happens and you deal with it...
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Drew,
Thank you for reposting my link as a photo. I can’t say that any part is knocked off or missing. What you see in the photo to the left side of the sight is an impression left from the rear of the casehardened receiver smacking into it. Same thing happened between 10 & 12o’clock. Notice that area is a bit “mushroomed and appears to have heavier wall thickness. The nasty one at 6’oclock is a gouge, that’s metal gone not displaced.

ebb, thanks for your post, I’m not going to fret it, I’m thankful that the damage went to the muzzles and not the breach’s. Still the fact remains that my 30” barrels are now reduced to 29 7/8”, wall thicknesses are thinner and there is still noticeable damage. All because of professional laziness in packaging. I’d say someone owes me a few bucks. My intent here is to get a fair and reasonable assessment of damage by information provided from me to this panel.

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John,
The front bead also serves to cap off the void between the barrels and top rib. It is a wedge shaped piece of brass or silver alloy soldered in place for that purpose and the bead or sight is integral to it. My photo isn’t clear to that and I appoligize. The bottom rib is the same idea but instead it’s all steel one piece. So, by cutting the sight off means I would have to shorten the top rib to accommodate a new one.
This is why I stated earlier that I had already researched options and decided to remove as much damage as possible by shortening muzzles to the bead and stoning out most side scratches, then live with the rest.
I’m not looking for a how to fix it here, I would have posted in DIY section. Im looking to find a fair and reasonable assessment or damage.

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Thanks for the clarification, Newton. Best of luck with this.
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Originally Posted by Newton 1131
My intent here is to get a fair and reasonable assessment of damage by information provided from me to this panel.

Since you don't wish to have any suggestions on how to repair or mitigate the damage to your shotgun muzzles. I won't offer any at this time. But I seriously doubt whether the responsible party will give a damn about any damage estimates or loss in valuation opinions provided by anyone here... no matter how accurate it may be.

Considering past history in tragic circumstances such as this, I think you will have your work cut out for you when it comes to recovering money for your loss. If you had shipping insurance, the insurance company will only be interested in a damage estimate from a qualified gunsmith, and they may contest that too. Your engraver is likely to blame the baboons that mishandled the package. Someone who scratches metal for a living should know about the potential for such damage. He got paid, so will probably continue to pack items poorly.

It would be interesting to hear how this ends. But I think the outcome will ultimately reinforce the lesson that valuable thin-walled steel tubes should only be shipped (both ways) in something very sturdy and rigid like a well padded capped schedule 40 PVC pipe... And hopefully that is enough! I've had my own shipping damage to guns too.


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Over the years, I've had similar damage issues with various firearms. Things happen. Sometimes trying to "fix" the damage issues was worse than the damage.

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Originally Posted by keith
Originally Posted by Newton 1131
My intent here is to get a fair and reasonable assessment of damage by information provided from me to this panel.

Since you don't wish to have any suggestions on how to repair or mitigate the damage to your shotgun muzzles. I won't offer any at this time. But I seriously doubt whether the responsible party will give a damn about any damage estimates or loss in valuation opinions provided by anyone here... no matter how accurate it may be.

Considering past history in tragic circumstances such as this, I think you will have your work cut out for you when it comes to recovering money for your loss. If you had shipping insurance, the insurance company will only be interested in a damage estimate from a qualified gunsmith, and they may contest that too. Your engraver is likely to blame the baboons that mishandled the package. Someone who scratches metal for a living should know about the potential for such damage. He got paid, so will probably continue to pack items poorly.

It would be interesting to hear how this ends. But I think the outcome will ultimately reinforce the lesson that valuable thin-walled steel tubes should only be shipped (both ways) in something very sturdy and rigid like a well padded capped schedule 40 PVC pipe... And hopefully that is enough! I've had my own shipping damage to guns too.


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To the recommendation of a well, capped thick wall PVC tube: That tube should be placed in a box. Recent experience of my shipping a capped tube with action and barrels attached demonstrated the need to box it. My tube's thick, removable cap broke but was held in place by Gorilla tape. The contents were undamaged. This same tube had shipped a half dozen barrels all over the US and back with no problems until the last time. If tube alone is shipped, in addition to the inside, the outside should have padding to prevent breakage. However, the problem with a round tube is that it can roll off a conveyor belt in shipping. Never underestimate the skills and creativity of a shipper breaking contents in a package. Recently an optician shipped a 25" Newtonian Pyrex mirror for reflective coating application. The mirror weighed close to 100 lbs. and was well packed in a wooden crate and was insured for a value of $5K which had been sold to a third party who awaited the shipment after coating. The shipper was suspicious of contents, opened the crate and removed the packing without replacing the packing. The mirror was subsequently broken in shipping as it shifted around inside the crate. Gil

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Most of your damage will go away with a refinish of barrels. That is the simplest and most likely most effective way to fix your gun. I have several guns that have been refinished by their makers that had minor dings smoothed up, polished to blend and the refinished. Not every gun 100 years old is without flaws. I understand how upsetting a new one can be but as other have said things happen. Get it fixed to a level that makes you happy. But I also know from personal experiences that in the end nobody else is going to pay for it or even notice it was redone.

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All advice on packaging/shipping is noted. Let me add this, the main packaging material used to send these parts out was a heavy card board tube. The kind that if you were to smack a horse on the head it would probably knock’em out permanently. All parts were wrapped separately using adequate packing materials, buffered between and extra on each end. They successfully arrived undamaged. Problem is they were returned in the same tube but loosely wrapped in baking wax paper, not the packing I supplied. Also there was minimal buffer material ( common newspaper) so they could freely move and tear free from wax paper.

Because this is going to come up later I’ll say it now. It is my opinion, the shipper, USPS, has NO blame here. In this case they delivered that tube undamaged and actually on time. Parts rattling around inside was not their fault, fault lies solely on the packager/sender.

To all the guys who say “things happen”. I know you mean well, I get your point, and Thank You for that but I respectfully disagree the logic. To me a “things happen”attitude bring images of annoying inconveniences in life like dropping your keys into a mud puddle, a broken shoelace,or even the one finger wave from a motorist. ( sometimes I’m not even driving!) To me “ things happen” is to surrender your sword to the enemy before ever brandishing it.

As a free American it is my right to speak up. My words will help issues similar to mine from happening to you. I’m sure those reading this thread will double check their outgoing packages so it doesn’t happen to them, or even better yet their client. To many have be intentionally but unknowingly tricked into thinking it’s okay to silence yourself. There are many here at home trying to take that right from you. Not only do they want your second amendment right they want you to shut up and obey.

Kieth,
You were interested in a conclusion. Without getting into detail, the final position by engraver and his organization is that “responsibility falls on the USPS office because they accepted the package, It’s a law you know”.
I say that to knowingly assert false blame to another party is bottom of the barrel in the Ethics department, also go ahead and file a fraudulent damage claim to USPS especially if they enjoy prison food. Or maybe they were they suggesting I file that claim?
As for the long and devoted Code of Ethics page on their website, “ that only applies to master members, all those other guys just pay us a fee to be on there”
I say, if it doesn’t apply to all engravers then it becomes nothing more than a marketing tool for selling business. Take it down.

The whole point of finding fair assessment value was for me to show and act in good faith over an incident that was unfortunate but not intentional, to offer a realistic fair and affordable option. I came up with a very low number in dollars that included over 8 hrs of my time to repair damage about 50%, and live with what couldn’t be fixed for no charge. It was declined, and as you already knew they would lay blame on others.
Truthfully here, if my offer was accepted I would have said “ don’t send any money, I’ve already fixed half the damage and we can square up on the next project”. Not a bad deal and I did say,”next project”. Of coarse there will be a next project and bigger, just not available to anyone in that clubhouse.

I’m not new to this abuse, and similar instances will repeat themselves over the coarse of ones life. I know if I chose to move forward on reimbursement I am covered through my own insurance. I can obtain the proper paperwork from the gun manufacturer who is still in business. My insurance will pay me out and file claim on his assuming he has any. Been there before. But if you have any advice you would like to share I’m all ears.

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