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Thanks for all the great input- this coming week-end, I'll find out if my offer of $1900 will be accepted by the consignor on the pre-War M70 std grade in .375H&H.. If I am lucky and get it at that price, plus 6% MI sales tax., I'll use it later on with a few feral pig hunts. There is an un-identified amount of handloaded ammo that comes with it, plus leather sling and QD'd, Bauer sheepskin lined case, and the newer Leupold Vari-X111 3X9 scope. By any chance, do any of you gents live in a area infested with wild pigs and hunt them with a "medium caliber" rifle? If so, what load(s) would you suggest for the H&H .375 Magnum cal.?? RWTF
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I've hunted pigs with the .375H&H. I would suggest anything that flies down the bore will do. I've mostly used 270gr. bullets over a book charge of 4064. Everything shot so far had done the "4-legged surrender".
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For the 270 gr bullets, 4064 is excellent. I have a couple of rifles with the G&H sidemount and Lyman or Leupold Alaskan. With a Lyman 48, a slight head movement lines that sight up. It was popular in the early 50s-ahead of its time. My 1951 M-70 375 is ready for a return to Alaska. Have homestead land in the interior.
But for trail walking or fishing, a pre-war Model 71 in 450 Alaskan is the only way to go. Big bears require fast repeat shots. That's why the 86/71s make their last stand in Canada/Alaska.
Hope you get that Model 70.
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Thanks, Mr. A.H. Fox XE --not too shabby a choice in a high grade American Boxlock gun on your part--Highest grade Fox double ever in my hands was a 12 bore CE, and I was "smitten". No, sorry to say, I lost out on the bidding for this older M70-and IMHO, the pre-WW2 M70's (and other Winchester firearms as well) are the "best of the best" ever made. I stopped my bid at an even 2K-mainly due to the threaded muzzle break device--it went for $2500 and sales tax. C'est La Vie. But I do agree with you 100% on your choice of a "stopper" rifle for Alaskan Big Bears (are there any small Alaskan Bears?--I have a 1940 era M71, a gift from a childhood neighbor who hunted in Alaska and Alberta--I know the .348 somewhat, but am not familiar with the 450 Alaskan Cal.-- I'd probably opt for a Mauser styled BA in .416 Rigby- express sights--"use enough gun"!! words of wisdom indeed. RWTF
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Thanks, Mr. A.H. Fox XE --not too shabby a choice in a high grade American Boxlock gun on your part-- RWTF
Last edited by Run With The Fox; 06/21/22 08:46 AM. Reason: shorten
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Foxy, there were a half dozen guys selling .375 ammo at our Father's Day swap meet, all of them with stories about their fathers or fathers in law owning .375 rifles. They are out there. I own two and I'm not a rifle guy. I bought some ammo even though I own more than I will ever shoot. I would hold out for one with a Griffin and Howe side mount. My London Rigby has a side mount from the original Rigby order that looks like a G&H but with no markings. I think Rigby made it from scratch. My first year Model 70 straight taper Super Grade is an iron sight gun with a Lyman 48, no extra holes.
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Nice indeed- By first year, do you perhaps mean 1937? And in a Super Grade.. They don't get any better than that, condition of course, being the main factor. The few boxes of Norma that were sold with the .375H&H I did not obtain went to an even C Note/20 rds. Guess I'll be dumping the feral pigs with my 30-06- a M70 my Dad bought new in 1939-not too shabby, I just thought it would be nice to bring a touch of Africa to a MI farmland hunt. A fella can dream, can't he now? RWTF
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It is nice to see the appreciation of quality firearms here. The reason that the 1886/Model 71 are still popular in Alaska and Canada is the frequency of bear encounters. That means black, brown Kodiak, and interior or Toklat grizzlies.
One never knows around which corner Mr. Grizzly will show up unexpectedly, and he may have just been down to the pub and was involved in a fight over a shapely gal. Bear spray sounds nice but a pre-war 450 Alaskan with 400 gr FP bullets sounds better. And bears can come from the same direction as the wind...
I am looking for a set of 7/8 in rings for a G&H sidemount-have a 2 in set for a trade. Looking for the rings with 2 screws to mount a Lyman or Leupold Alaskan.
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I have a M71 Deluxe made in 1939- I used it once on MI whitetail- about 20 years ago. I refuse to get it scoped, Winchester LA rifles were never designed to wear scopes-- Looks like the .375H&H is still "open" to me, if I decide to pony up the $2500. If it didn't have that $#(*&&^^ muzzle break threaded on, I might- but I am holding firm at my $1900 offer-- so, we shall see- guess I'll have to whack a few hogs with the 300 grainers I have for my .348Win- a real stopper- blew the lungs completely out of the 6 point I took with it, years ago. RWTF
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