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+1 on the "dot" placed on the lens of the left eye shooting glasses.

You want the dot positioned so that it only blocks the left eye from seeing the bbl & rib of the gun when mounted & the head on the comb. It take some adjustment to get the dot positioned correctly. Correctly placed it won't block left eye vision except when the gun is properly mounted.

For a dot I use opaque scotch tape & mounted on the inside of the lens. A fired .375 H & H case w/ the case mouth sharpened w a case trimmer cuts a clean 3/8" dot but anything similar in diameter will work. Just put a piece of tape on a leather scrap to cut the dot then peel it off & place on the lens.

I should add that I shoot w/ a low gun mount so I am seeing and tracking the bird with both eyes until just before the shot which works well for me. I'm not sure how well the dot would work for someone who shoots with a premounted gun as this means you are only picking up the bird w/ one eye, a definite disadvantage.

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I'm right handed and left eye dominant. Both shotgun and rifle are shot off my left shoulder and with handguns I just tilt my head slightly so my right cheek is touching my shoulder at the joint. I rarely have a problem shooting this way and I am a good to very good hand gun shot and average to good shot with a rifle or shotgun. I have been competing in a variety of shooting sports for over 25 years and the cross dominance has never been an issue.

Unless your lady friend wants to be super serious and/or highly competitive there is no reason to try and force her to use her right eye or buy special shotguns for her. If anything cross dominance can be a slight advantage in that for long guns she will be using her dominant hand to reload the gun.

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Brittany,
I'm going to try your suggestion of a 3/8" dot. The dot I was using is a Magic Dot branded one that is 3/4", perhaps much too large. They worked before, but not now!
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I have tried many solutions, but the crossover stock is the ultimate solution. My left eye dot is permanently installed when I shoot a straight gun and a right eye dot is permanently installed on the glasses I use with the crossover gun to reinforce my use of the left eye when using that gun. Remember, as one poster emphasized, the dot should only block the front sight and the front end of the rib, leaving the view of the target unobscured. Some coaches just don't understand the proper use of the dot. The dot is not meant to make you a one eye shooter. The dot is meant to make you a two eye shooter who does not look at the gun with the off eye. The placement of the dot is a careful procedure when done correctly.

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Originally Posted by eightbore
Remember, as one poster emphasized, the dot should only block the front sight and the front end of the rib, leaving the view of the target unobscured.

So true, the only way to determine the distance to the target is through triangulation, which requires a view of it with both eyes.

So grateful I have never had eye dominance issues.


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Keep it simple Chuck. Try the 3/8” dot first. Don’t mess with changing guns or having her shoot off her non dominant shoulder.
Ps. Missed you at Whittington. Can’t forgive BK for being tardy.

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Stan: The rule of thumb is that stereoscopic vision (depth perception) is effective up to 100x the distance between the eyes, or about 6 cm X 100 = 6 meters or about 20 feet. Functional depth perception is about 30 feet. SO binocular vision is not of significant advantage in most clay target disciplines. Distance and speed of a moving clay past 30 feet is determined primarily by its relation to background objects and its perceived change in size.
Binocular summation refers to the improved visual performance of binocular vision compared to that of monocular vision.
Improvement has been well established in brightness perception, flicker perception, contrast sensitivity, peripheral visual field, and visual acuity.
This study states visual acuity is improved 11%
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8350167/
Response time (visual processing) is also improved with 2 eyes
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042814022435

Some people may perceive a difference in size and speed of a moving object two vs. one eye; but like visual acuity from binocular summation, the difference is no more than about 10%.

And BTW (but not dominance relevant) the ability to "see things in slow motion" (Zeitraffer phenomenon) in order to process images more quickly would have a great advantage in shooting sports, and many others like ping pong and hitting a 100 mph fast ball.

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my wife just started shooting last year and at 63 picked it up pretty quick despite being right handed and left eye dominant. We tried left shoulder and tape but in the end she decided just to wink left eye before shot. As we recreational shooters it is good enough.
At 69 my left eye is now stronger than right and if I try an O/U my left eye wants to play but it looks down the side of the barrels. Thanks goodness I am an SxS guy so my right eye stays in power


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Originally Posted by Drew Hause
Stan: The rule of thumb is that stereoscopic vision (depth perception) is effective up to 100x the distance between the eyes, or about 6 cm X 100 = 6 meters or about 20 feet. Functional depth perception is about 30 feet. SO binocular vision is not of significant advantage in most clay target disciplines. Distance and speed of a moving clay past 30 feet is determined primarily by its relation to background objects and its perceived change in size.
Binocular summation refers to the improved visual performance of binocular vision compared to that of monocular vision.
Improvement has been well established in brightness perception, flicker perception, contrast sensitivity, peripheral visual field, and visual acuity.
This study states visual acuity is improved 11%
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8350167/
Response time (visual processing) is also improved with 2 eyes
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042814022435

Some people may perceive a difference in size and speed of a moving object two vs. one eye; but like visual acuity from binocular summation, the difference is no more than about 10%.

And BTW (but not dominance relevant) the ability to "see things in slow motion" (Zeitraffer phenomenon) in order to process images more quickly would have a great advantage in shooting sports, and many others like ping pong and hitting a 100 mph fast ball.

No argument with your facts, tho' I'm not sure I agree with the numbers (distances). But ........ what the mind believes is at least as important as what the eye(s) see. If I believe that I will shoot better with two eyes open, past 30', it's hard to convince me other wise. Self confidence, or the lack of, is huge. Know what I mean?


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A friend just mentioned his eyes are changing and in recent years his left eye wants to take over. He has adapted by just closing his left eye before the shot, but he said he has to close it before the gun fully comes up, because if he's ready to shoot, sometimes he will find himself trying to line up on his left eye, and crossed up off target. This is for gun down casual bird hunting. It also seems to affect his bow and open sight rifle/pistol shooting, but making due so far, he says it sucks.

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