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Yes of course flapper zapper,he could always say .110 .040 and that will make you happy because it most certainly is a number two numbers to be exact if you don't like that number have him say a number you like and if you still don't have a positive affirmation and interest in those numbers don't buy it

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well, i really dont no nor care what the malcontent mc is attempting to convey with his post here...

but, the 90/30 guideline i use was revealed to me by a gunsmith with over 60 years of experience...

he kept me out of trouble for over 20 years...

until i learn something better, i will continue to follow old ed's guidelines...re shotgun barrel walls and other things gun related...

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All this palaver would be unnecessary if we had proof laws in this country, like the Brits. Either the gun is safe, or it isn’t. Can you imagine the boondoggle that would be?

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Ed: there were calls for a U.S. Government Proof House in the April 20, 1895 Sporting Life
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/48142

And in July 27, 1895 a call for a Government Proof House for Nitro Powder Testing
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/48122

I suspect the same apprehension regarding letting the government decide what guns were "good" was present then, as now. And the U.S. makers were proving their guns in-house

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And proof testing is available at:
Entropy Engineering Corporation
http://www.entropyec.com/

Chesapeake Testing
https://nts.com/services/testing/

Dayton T. Brown
https://www.dtb.com

I don't know anyone who has elected to prove their barrels, and don't know the cost thereof. Should proof testing be required by government edict, the cost would of course be passed on to the consumer.

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drew, thanks for your continued efforts to educate us re doublegun history and other topics...

as for the need for a gubmint proof house here...as has been proven over the last couple of centuries, we do not need such a service here...

for the most part, doubleguns made here are made safe...with an extra amount of wood and metal to make them incredibly durable...

a real credit to our doublegun makers...

for example, packers an stevens brand guns are mostly clunky an ill balanced...however, they are among the most durable of all doubleguns made here or anywhere...

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30 pages of discussion here. Should save each of us some repetition wink
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Originally Posted by eeb
All this palaver would be unnecessary if we had proof laws in this country, like the Brits. Either the gun is safe, or it isn’t. Can you imagine the boondoggle that would be?


It seems to me that the Brits are a bit more accepting of government telling them what they can and cannot do than are we Americans. There are centuries of evidence to that.

Do you happen to recall why America came to be, in the first place? It can be spelled out easily, F-R-E-E-D-O-M ............ from excessive and burdensome laws and regulations.


May God bless America and those who defend her.
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bullseye for stan!


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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Originally Posted by eeb
All this palaver would be unnecessary if we had proof laws in this country, like the Brits. Either the gun is safe, or it isn’t. Can you imagine the boondoggle that would be?


It seems to me that the Brits are a bit more accepting of government telling them what they can and cannot do than are we Americans. There are centuries of evidence to that.

Do you happen to recall why America came to be, in the first place? It can be spelled out easily, F-R-E-E-D-O-M ............ from excessive and burdensome laws and regulations.

That’s a bit of a stretch Stan. It has nothing to do with personal freedoms, it has to do with safety. And at the time the proof laws were developed the best way to determine whether a gun was safe, for either a Redcoat or private citizen, was to shoot the gun with an overload. Product liability was a thing in the 17th century and it still is today. Ed

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No eeb, personal responsibility and due dillgence American company's proofed there guns and over built them what happened in the intervening years to the gun isn't the mfg.problem it's the buyers ,buyer beware have your new purchase checked by a professional.

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