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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/938950728

i have little experience with belgian guns, and wonder about this one....saw it this morning and finally accessed the document re: date codes (i'm in new mexico, away from my research materials) and sent seller a message opining that proof occurred in 1938. the condition appears awfully nice for it to be off the face....or else someone did a very nice restoration and didn't bother with that aspect.

your insights are solicited.

best regards,

tom

Nice gun acier cockerill is steel barrels I would ask for barrel wall thickness and his return policy

There are a lot of guys on here who can tell you about proofs ECT.

I was just researching that one great deal! Found half dozen ML hammer guns at different levels of engraving. Looks like they were proud of their Grand Prze win at 1906 Milan expo with that action. This gun dates 1928 (g proof date) has cannons Declour barrels and would be quite a deal for under a grand. Seller says hinge is loose but tight? Odd. It’s been restored. I will be bidding also but good eye my friend.

typical belgian smokeless proofs...

rare late hammergun...looks late 1930's...

bet argo can be more precise...

wheather redone or not, who cares, it is a lovely old gun...

after careful looking at the lower case script letters, i came to believe the letter is not the "g", but rather the "q" indicating 1938....give it a good scrutinizing.

tom

seller provides no info re bore condish...

without opportunity to inspect gun and return, if found defective..this one is a crap shoot...

Nice thing about Belgium guns I have dealt with they have the bore and choke size marked on the barrels, if they are nitro proofed and still within couple thousands of that I feel pretty darn good about them. My Belgium double 16s are all marked .669-.670 but in mm. Now Fn brownings are all over the place on original bore size. This one was original 70mm chamber it’s probably beefy. Hope nobody got out the brake hones.

Good one EDD

So much to learn from Belgian marks



I agree with Jt the lettre annale is a lower case 'g' rather than a 'q' so 1928 DOM
Cornell Pubs has a 1932 Manufacture Liegeoise catalog reprint which might show the grade
https://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/item_desc.php?item_id=3580

The barrel tubes were made by Canons Delcour S.A. (the crown over D) using Cockerill steel. ML used the ACM in a circle for Acier Cockerill Manufacture Liégeoise
At the time of proof the barrels weighed 1.281 Kg = 2.82# which is very light for 28" barrels. If they now weight > 3% less they are considered out of proof
The R bore is 17.0 mm = .669" with choke 16.9 mm = .665"
L 17.1 mm = .673" with choke 16.8 = .661
So .004" R and .012" L = Sk 1 and Sk 2

2 3/4" chambers and of course Nitro proved (the stylized lion over P.V.)

If you get the gun let us know the weight - should be a wonderful skeet (with light loads) and quail gun! It may have spent time on a Southern quail plantation?

ed shared his business model on the other thread "the foundation of human relations is manipulation of others..." or "Do to others what's best for me and what I think I can get away with."
A motto anyone can be proud of.