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old, as i recall, there is lots of info about tony and his work in the ebook, that is not in the print book...

for example, there is the video of tony and his helper dumping a red hot crucible into a drum of water...the chemical reaction that occured is spectacular...

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Not a chemical reaction edd

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I had forgotten about this book; thanks for posting the Abe Book link. I ordered this book from Tony’s estate when it came out but never got it. Interesting it’s still floating around out there. Tony was a great guy and a welcome poster to this board. It was quite sad to watch the progression of his cancer, but he worked as long as he could and never lost heart.

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Tony lived until his last day, doing what he could and never stopped learning and sharing. I miss him. He passed the same day my older brother passed. The board was better for his sharing. His web was alive for some time after his passing but has gone. I have just about worn out his book but recently found a second copy.

The list of poster we have lost would be a who's who if we had one. They shared a lot of what they knew but took a lot with them.

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Originally Posted by mc
Not a chemical reaction edd

Really??? Maybe you should rethink that statement...

chem·i·cal re·ac·tion
/ˈkeməkəl rēˈakSHən/
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noun
noun: chemical reaction; plural noun: chemical reactions

a process that involves rearrangement of the molecular or ionic structure of a substance, as opposed to a change in physical form or a nuclear reaction.


With charcoal pack color case hardening, we are attempting to infuse carbon, carbon monoxide, and other chemicals into the surface of another chemical compound we all know as mild steel. Mild steel is a complex alloy of elemental iron, carbon, and various other metals. We may first anneal the steel of our action and parts to change the molecular structure imparted during initial forging or prior case hardening. We polish this steel to prepare it for the carbon based pack, which is primarily composed of wood and bone charcoal. We clean the steel to remove oils and other chemical contaminants. It is all packed into a sealed crucible to keep oxygen (another very reactive element) out during the heating to critical temperature. It is held at that high temperature for hours to permit various carbon compounds to penetrate into the surface of the steel.

At the proper time and temperature, the crucible is dumped into aerated H2O, a chemical also known as water. This chemical solvent may have some potassium nitrate added, or maybe not. Most practitioners want this quench solvent known as water to be rather cold. The contents of the crucible are typically dumped into the quench as close to the surface as humanly possible, to prevent oxygen from coming in contact with the red hot steel. This little controlled chemical step is done because excess oxygen during that brief instant will cause our desired colors to become dull gray and muted. Of course, dumping the red hot contents into the cold water quench causes a violent reaction where the liquid water is instantly turned to steam. The goal is to keep the carbon based pack in contact with the surface of the steel until the moment it hits the cold water quench. The water is often aerated and/or agitated to attempt to keep the water in contact with the extremely hot steel parts. And the molecular structure of the surface of our carbon infused steel is thusly frozen into a molecular arrangement that causes the pleasing refraction of light that our eyes perceive as Case Hardening Colors. Not seen is the dramatically increased surface hardness...

It isn't magic. It is all due to this multi-step chemical reaction that took a lot of experimentation to develop.

And it is quite complex. If it was as easy as heating parts and dumping them into a drum of water, people wouldn't pay lots of money to those who worked long hours to learn and perfect this chemical process.

So there you have it Ed. And your internet stalker mc, in yet another pathetic attempt to discredit you, instead showed us his own ignorance of the subject. Maybe he should stick to things he knows well, like misspelling words, and omitting punctuation in run on sentences that often make no sense at all...

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Ah, Yes, Tony Treadwell's book. When that was a hot item, I too ordered and paid for a copy. Never received it, and my several attempts to either get my copy, or my money back with the family was to no avail. The whole thing seemed a scam. Never got the book or my money.
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Originally Posted by keith
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Not a chemical reaction edd

Really??? Maybe you should rethink that statement...

chem·i·cal re·ac·tion
/ˈkeməkəl rēˈakSHən/
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noun
noun: chemical reaction; plural noun: chemical reactions

a process that involves rearrangement of the molecular or ionic structure of a substance, as opposed to a change in physical form or a nuclear reaction.


With charcoal pack color case hardening, we are attempting to impart carbon, carbon monoxide, and other chemicals into the surface of another chemical compound we all know as mild steel. Mild steel is a complex alloy of elemental iron, carbon, and various other metals. We may first anneal the steel of our action and parts to change the molecular structure imparted during initial forging or prior case hardening. We polish this steel to prepare it for the carbon based pack, which is primarily composed of wood and bone charcoal. We clean the steel to remove oils and other chemical contaminants. It is all packed into a sealed crucible to keep oxygen (another very reactive element) out during the heating to critical temperature. It is held at that high temperature for hours to permit various carbon compounds to penetrate into the surface of the steel.

At the proper time and temperature, the crucible is dumped into aerated H2O, a chemical also known as water. This chemical solvent may have some potassium nitrate added, or maybe not. Most practitioners want this quench solvent known as water to be rather cold. The contents of the crucible are typically dumped into the quench as close to the surface as humanly possible, to prevent oxygen from coming in contact with the red hot steel. This little controlled chemical step is done because excess oxygen during that brief instant will cause our desired colors to become dull gray and muted. Of course, dumping the red hot contents into the cold water quench causes a violent reaction where the liquid water is instantly turned to steam. The goal is to keep the carbon based pack in contact with the surface of the steel until the moment it hits the cold water quench. The water is often aerated and/or agitated to attempt to keep the water in contact with the extremely hot steel parts. And the molecular structure of the surface of our carbon infused steel is thusly frozen into a molecular arrangement that causes the pleasing refraction of light that our eyes perceive as Case Hardening Colors. Not seen is the dramatically increased surface hardness...

It isn't magic. It is all due to this multi-step chemical reaction that took a lot of experimentation to develop.

And it is quite complex. If it was as easy as heating parts and dumping them into a drum of water, people wouldn't pay lots of money to those who worked long hours to learn and perfect this chemical process.

So there you have it Ed. And your internet stalker mc, in yet another pathetic attempt to discredit you, instead showed us his own ignorance of the subject. Maybe he should stick to things he knows well, like misspelling words, and omitting punctuation in run on sentences that often make no sense at all...

It all makes me wonder where the DoubleGunShop Forum Manners, Civility, and Politeness Police are when you need them???

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dennis, print version of tony's book was published by lulu...

here is link...last i looked, they had about 30 copies...

https://www.lulu.com/shop/tony-trea...tony+treadwell&page=1&pageSize=4

amazon also lists a few for sale...

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shore would be nice if you fellers would email oxford ebooks, requesting reactivation of the ebook version of tony's extraordinary work...so we could all have the opportunity to see it again...


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and keith, yours above, is perhaps the finest description of the quench process that i have ever read, save for what tony wrote in his chapter on rehardening...

tony also described his tempering process, which is absolutely essential to drawing some of the brittleness out of the metal, so that it is not glass hard and subject to cracking...

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