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Hello everyone, I found lancaster drilling for sale, but even the owner doesnt know what caliber, maker, proof etc it is. Ánd police for registration put as caliber jus just express 400-500..I found belgium black powder proof marks on shotgun, rifle barrels. Ill try upload some pictures. On the top of the barrels is name Fritz Englight? And on the other barrel "Bercia" cant see it clearly. Shotgun barrels are 16b.
Thank you.
Martin

9372,
if you are having conversations with the owner, he will need to provide meaningful dimensions of the chamber and barrel before the nominal cartridge can be determined. The best and easiest way to obtain these is by "slugging" the barrel and making a chamber cast.
Mike

Thank you Mike. Yes, I know it, he is not willing to do it, he just want to sell it. Is there any markings showing at least what bore diameter is it? I think it could very old gun with some old BP cartridge, maybe 43mauser,any Express caliber would be definitely marked properly I guess.. I'll try to find some belgium datacodes..

It reads: Fritz Englicht Berlin, probably a Dealer.

Cheers,
Wolfgang

It was made 1910-1920; I do not see a lettre annale; likely pre-WWI
It does not carry Smokeless Powder proof but Belgian guns for export frequently did not
The 16g bore is 16.8 mm = .661" with muzzle 16.5 mm = .650" = .011" or 16g Modified

Unfortunately, neither Pete Mikalajunas' list, nor http://www.hlebooks.com/daubres/li02.htm have a Belgian maker that I can make into 'FBA?'

Thank you very much guys! Do you have any idea what 557 means?