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When was August Shuler building Charles Daly guns and how are such guns marked for example Rib or proof area markings?
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Well the experts are no doubt in the dove fields for now, but according to their Prussian Charles Daly imports publication Lindner stopped in 1914. For more information look at germanhuntingguns.com. I will check out my other book and get what I can but those old experts might chime in next couple evenings after they settle in from the heat.
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Ps. I will have a Daly shooting over a water hole tomorrow 😀
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Shot Sousa's Daly Sextuple Trap Gun today and found that he was a much more skilled trapshooter than I am. I will try again soon.
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If you could pleasure us with some fotos or send them to me, I'd gladly post them. Ernst Lindner, H.A. Lindner's son & apparently only business heir, fell in fierce fighting with the Brits so H.A. Lindner more than likely shuttered his compagnie in June/July 1915. Now remember that Joseph Gales of Elizabeth, NJ expired June 3rd, 1916. So I am not exactly sure who was doing the sourcing nor to whom but I would say that S,D&G were courting anyone they could to fill orders. >>Back to Schoverling, Daly & Gales and much later in 1899 after Charles Daly's death, on November 25th, 1899 Schoverling, Daly & Gales was incorporated by Jospeh Gales of Elizabeth, New Jersey, Ella Daly King of East Orange, New Jersey and Theodore William Stake of New York City. William Theodore Stake was born in 1861 in NY City but educated in London and then Canada. He was vice president in 1915 and VP, secretary & director in 1918 after Joseph Gales' expiring on June 3rd, 1916(born April 29th, 1847). Some concern, maybe S,D&G offered a scattergun with the tradename T.W. Stake. Frederic J. Wilbur was a director in 1914.<< https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=253048https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=149166Serbus, Raimey rse
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There are Daly examples where the adornment has been identified as by the hand of Fritz Heimbeck on wares of August Schüler. It was circa 1935(100 year anniv for August Schüler) where correspondence between August Schüler and a Friedrik W. Hollender of NYC, that notes Daly was sourcing Schüler. So the longarm would have to date the the early 1930s and be adorned by Fritz Heimbeck.
Post WWI, 1919, S,D&G was sold according to some sources. Henry Modell, Sloan's Sporting Goods, Outdoor Sports Headquarters and Davega Sporing Goods. Some traded the name, some traded the company apparently. Like all Daly centred stuff, there is a veil or some smoke & mirrors.
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>>....... It seems that J.P. Sauer changed "sole agents" quite often as in 1892 Wiebusch & Hilger, Limited of 84 & 86 Chambers Street, New York were "sole agents": http://books.google.com/books?id=AEM9AAA...uhl&f=false . As usual in searching for something else, I stumbled across the following info but haven't found the full document. Albeit a bit of opinion, I think it gives insight to the overall picture of the Daly/Lindner/Sauer relationship and should have been quite accurate seeing it was penned in the mid 1940s. The gist being the following: Charles Daly had an idea, and apparently an accurate one, of what the American sportsman would hold in esteem and cherish. He travelled to England to procure a concern to build his American idea of a sporting scattergun. None of the British concerns would give him the time of day with respect to his idea of a longarm for the sportsman of the U.S. of A. So for some reason, and I speculate it was August Schoverling, he turned to Germany where he found a relatively unknown craftsman by the name of Lindner(I assumed the name was used loosely referring to Georg and later H.A.). I think it is here that the retailer/wholesaler/component source/craftsman model needs to be addressed. Lindner was the wholesaler and served as quality control before the examples were shipped to Schoverling, Daly & Gales. Lindner sourced the components and had craftsman to perform specific tasks and I think they continued to continue the same after the death of Lindner's son in 1915 with another wholesaler at the helm possibly with Lindner having a partial role. Conjecture from the mid 1940s has it that Lindner finished the upper rung models while the run of the mill Dalys were more or less completed at the Sauer facility and inspected by Lindner. Where the cut-off was, I can't say for now, maybe the 275 or 375? Charles Daly's son, along with Gales, continued the business and it appears that both expired by 1925. It was then in 1927 or 1928 that Schoverling, Daly & Gales was sold to Davega Sporing Goods, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davega_Stores (I know some of you don't cotton to Wikipedia), while the Daly trademark was sold to Sloan's Sporting Goods at about the same time. Then it looks like Davega Sporting Goods faltered in the early 1960s(1963) and Modell Sporting Goods absorbed them. Maybe that's the Modell Sporting Goods connection......<<< Just a reference https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=174697&page=14Serbus, Raimey rse
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