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Originally Posted by John Roberts
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No trouble at all shouldering my 4# gun. I'm 6'2" and about +/- 230#'s.
Oh, I'm sure you have zero problems shouldering it. Holding it steady, well...
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Its not a rifle I don't hold it steady. Most of what I shoot are flushed and fly hard in any direction. So steady is not something I don't have time for. I've shoot both triggers before the gun is completely shouldered a times.

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Originally Posted by battle
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No trouble at all shouldering my 4# gun. I'm 6'2" and about +/- 230#'s.
Oh, I'm sure you have zero problems shouldering it. Holding it steady, well...
JR


Its not a rifle I don't hold it steady. Most of what I shoot are flushed and fly hard in any direction. So steady is not something I don't have time for. I've shoot both triggers before the gun is completely shouldered a times.
Wow. Try one-handing it.
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Originally Posted by battle
I've shoot both triggers before the gun is completely shouldered a times.

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Light guns are almost in their own world in terms of handling and use. I participated in a quail hunt with my little 28 about a year ago now that involved more birds than I've ever done before. The shooting was, as you'd expect, very different in that some (or even all) the birds would fly back over you from the flush. Because of the number of hunters, helpers, dogs, and then the birds, you really had to be extra-vigilant. In retrospect, a more-ideal gun there might well have been (gasp!) an unplugged small-gauge semi-auto (it seemed like birds were always flying by when I was reloading). By having a very light gun I never had a problem keeping up with the dogs or catching up to a flushing quail, but there were times when you had to be completely surgical about when you could safely shoot. Unlike more-conventional upland shooting, you had to both start and stop your gun and be hyper-aware of your surroundings. I know heavier guns are preferred in lots of situations and I have a 10-lb sporting clays gun that serves very well for the job it was designed to do, but... for the type of upland hunting I focus on so desperately (ruffed grouse in deciduous forests) a light and well-balanced gun is a both delight and even-more now a necessity as I'm becoming a "more-seasoned" citizen.

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Anyone can learn to shoot a light gun. But you have to do it. Most people here and elswhere, shoot heavy guns at the range for trap and so forth, but then don't shoot well with a lighter, "whippy" gun. How many times has that been said here and on every other shotgunning forum? If you shoot light guns, they shoot every bit as well as heavy guns.

I spent the summer shooting a couple rounds of trap almost every week with a 26", 6# gun, from low-gun position. I can hit better with that gun now than any other I own. That's no surprise, it's just learning to shoot it. Moving back to a 7.25# gun is problematic. No surprise there either. I don't shoot long, ponderous guns well - because I haven't been shooting them. Maybe next year, I'll shoot a couple rounds of each and get used to going back and forth. Sort of like learning to shoot both Single triggers and double triggers.

Today, however, I made a really nice, longish, but super quick shot on a slicing grouse. Never would have happened with a 30", 7+# gun. I also covered 14 hot miles of rough ruffed grouse ground for the 3rd day in a row. 6# beats 7# every single time. It will tomorrow also.

Battle, I tried one of those off the shoulder shots today. Never had a chance.... smile

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Well, fwiw, there are light guns and ridiculously light guns. A 6 lb gun is one thing, but a 4.25 lb gun is more like a novelty than a tool, afaic. I cannot imagine ever learning to hit anything flying with it. ‘Course, if you’re getting off two shots before shouldering it…
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Originally Posted by John Roberts
Well, fwiw, there are light guns and ridiculously light guns. A 6 lb gun is one thing, but a 4.25 lb gun is more like a novelty than a tool, afaic. I cannot imagine ever learning to hit anything flying with it. ‘Course, if you’re getting off two shots before shouldering it…
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Suit yourself. What you cannot imagine, plenty of others have accomplished.

I have shoulder surgery scheduled for the end of the month
A light gun has keeps me in the game til then. If I had a sub5# 20 or 28, I'd use it. Maybe next year I will have it and can put off surgery on the 2nd shoulder one more year.


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Originally Posted by John Roberts
Well, fwiw, there are light guns and ridiculously light guns. A 6 lb gun is one thing, but a 4.25 lb gun is more like a novelty than a tool, afaic. I cannot imagine ever learning to hit anything flying with it. ‘Course, if you’re getting off two shots before shouldering it…
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Better shoot pull away or pass through with those light guns. Maintained lead is much harder to maintain with a very light gun.


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Originally Posted by Buzz
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Well, fwiw, there are light guns and ridiculously light guns. A 6 lb gun is one thing, but a 4.25 lb gun is more like a novelty than a tool, afaic. I cannot imagine ever learning to hit anything flying with it. ‘Course, if you’re getting off two shots before shouldering it…
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Better shoot pull away or pass through with those light guns. Maintained lead is much harder to maintain with a very light gun.

Agreed that very lightweight shotguns require, for me, a different style of shooting. I struggled with the little sub-5 lb. .410s until I discovered that I had to begin my "tracking" before the gun hit the shoulder. Then, fire almost immediately upon acquiring a cheek weld. Entirely different from shooting a heavier gun, for me. But, I never, ever felt the need to pull the trigger before the gun hit my shoulder pocket. To do that would be as near a guaranteed miss as anything I can think of.


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Too light and they feel like a Daisy plus kick the snot out of you rendering a second shot moot!

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