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For hunting I prefer 6 pound guns in the uplands, even in the 12. Much below that I just don't shoot them well. More than 6 1/4 pounds is a bit more than I want to carry at the end of the day.

For clays I have dropped down to 7 pounds to 7.5 pounds as my sweet spot. If I go above that it messes me up for my hunting guns. And as I get older it seems to take more "work" to get those big pigs moving for the second shot in tight windows.

I shot a grouse this year with sustained lead through tall pines as it was quartering away from me, typical gray ghost steak but I had good glimpses of it. I did miss it however.

Many of my shots at grouse are typical shoot the streak and swing through but not all of them. I hunt a flusher and even though the dog on the ground the most this year just turned 2 I could usually tell when he was birdy and was prepared. Have been hunting ruff for more than 50 years now.

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6 pound 16 ga. Iside is my go to grouse gun. And all around gun for hunting although have more than a few others in the 6 pound range.

Originally Posted by Bruce Bernacki
Look at the Rizzini BR110 in 28 gauge. 6.1 pounds in all-steel, 5.7 pounds in alloy frame. Around $2K. The steel BR110 is available in multiple barrel lengths up to 32" on special order (I"m sure that would take a small eternity), the Light Luxe version (alloy) only in 28".

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My first thought as well. I have two B. Rizzini 12 ga. Vertex, 32" Competition 16 and 20 ga. 32" BR110 Sporter. Obviously my B. Rizzini guns are all clay guns but I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a field Rizzini. Of any type. ~June of next year I will likely do a custom order for a BR552 16\20 combo for hunting they come in at ~6 pounds. In the meantime I use Battista's brother Isidero Rizzini (the I & R in F.A.I.R.) guns for hunting. I am waiting to hear back from the director of Italian Firearms Group in Texas for the total on a custom order 16 ga. Iside with the specs I have given him.

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I have "classic" 28-gauges doubles that weigh in the five to five and three quarter pound range, but I shoot a couple of modern 28-gauges in the six and a quarter pound range much better and there is the problem. I have 20-gauges that weigh in the six and a quarter pound range from my 1913 vintage Fox A-grade to my Launch Edition RBL and the 20-gauge can handle a wider variety of loads. So, what is the point of the 28-gauge?

Pretty much the same place I am at, although for the 16 ga. I don't even own a 20 ga. hunting gun. Wait I do have a 20 ga. Ithaca 37 UL in the safe. But haven't shot it in years it is just too light and I don't shoot it well. Many of my friends shoot 28 ga. and have been trying to talk me into one. Just can't bring myself to do it from a logical standpoint. I do have several 20 ga. SxS guns for clays. Because if you are going to give me a 3 or 4 bird handicap for shooting yellow shells I'll take it. Shooting feathers I don't want a handicap, of any kind.

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Yesterday, I came upon a 20-30 acre patch of doghair popple that was bordered with spruce and fir. Looked pretty perfect for grouse, so Gus and I serpentined our way in. It was almost entirely one handing the gun (6# cashmore) and pushing aside saplings with the other. I was thinking of this thread the whole time and how fun it would be to watch Stan with his 32" barrels fighting through this...

Anyway, we came out the other side with two grouse on two flushes and three shots. Had to use the poke and shoot twice on the first bird. Anyone that thinks he is going to "sustained lead" in a popple thicket, ain't been in a popple thicket.

But that big gun would sure be good for beating off those scary coyotes (and wolves!), so there is that. smile

My phone tells me I covered 39.1 miles of grouse country in the 3.5 days of hunting. I'm happy to have carried the 6# Cashmore while leaving the 7.25# Greener behind. A 5.5# sidelock 16 or 20 might be even nicer - if I can find one I like as much as that Cashmore.


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Brent,

Is that the one with SLEEVED emblazoned on both side of the barrels?

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Originally Posted by Parabola
Brent,

Is that the one with SLEEVED emblazoned on both side of the barrels?


Yup. It's becoming a real favorite. Whomever sleeved it did an excellent job. Perfectly regulated as well.


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They did well to keep the weight down to 6 pounds.

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Originally Posted by Parabola
They did well to keep the weight down to 6 pounds.

They certainly did it well. I've seen a fairly large number of resleeved and reproofed English guns appearing on the market lately. Most of them appear to be excellent. But there is someone that is resleaving unlabeled vintage actions with barrels "spuriously labeled" and Holland and Holland (one on RIA and 2 or 3 on Holts).


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Originally Posted by BrentD
I was thinking of this thread the whole time and how fun it would be to watch Stan with his 32" barrels fighting through this...

Interesting .......that you fantasize that way. However, nowhere have I ever said I'd try to use 32" barrels in heavy upland cover.


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I have one of the higher grade 28 gauge FAIR SxS’s w/30” barrels and a 15” stock. It weighs 5 lbs. 7.5 oz and it’s a surprisingly easy shooter. It’s not remotely whippy and if anything it’s on the slower end of the continuum.

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Here’s a mid 30’s NID that grew up “down south”.
Quail don’t you think?
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