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A P-36 hit it during an airshow in Dallas yesterday. Was it "Sentimental Journey"? Both aircraft were destroyed, with 6 lives lost.

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Shocking video. Absolutely no time between collision and hitting the ground. You knew instantly all were dead. Tragic.


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Originally Posted by Lloyd3
A P-36 hit it during an airshow in Dallas yesterday. Was it "Sentimental Journey"? Both aircraft were destroyed, with 6 lives lost.

Not a P36. A P63 King Cobra. The design was heavily influenced by Soviet engineers and test pilots brought to Bell. There were only 5 airworthy P63s left in the world, and the one that crashed was the only P63F variant left in the world. Only a few Fs were built.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-63_Kingcobra

I’ve never seen an aircraft come apart quite like that B17 did.

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Damn shame.

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The 6 lives lost were terrible. But I'm afraid the greater loss is the aircraft. Those aircraft are part of an important history that we need to know and having tangible samples of them to view and appreciate brings home an appreciation that this history actually did happen. Knowing history is a good way of not repeating it. Ted's right. There are no more P-63F King Cobra's in the world today and it is a little darker for it. So few remaining military equipment from WWII and now sadly is too of those who lived through it. Sad.


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Men who climbed into those B-17’s were brave, determined men. Some of the daily loss rates must have told those men the odds of rotating out were very, very bad. Watching planes, with friends go down, or fellow crew men get hit or killed had to sobering. By 1943-44 fighter tactics had been perfected against bombers and the attrition rates per mission was grinding down plane and crew numbers at almost impossible to replace numbers. If 10% per mission were lost getting to 25, then 28 or 30 mission was almost impossible. Some made it, many did not.

I had two uncles in Sherman’s, who fought and survived Tigers, but both thought their cousin, who was a ball turret gunner was either braver, crazier or dumber than they were. Differed depending on the moods of three vets who rarely talked about the war. Few family vets talked about what they saw or did in the war. None of them tolerated REMF who talked a Great War but saw almost no combat. They knew and had a way of shutting them down.

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Originally Posted by nca225
The 6 lives lost were terrible. But I'm afraid the greater loss is the aircraft.
I feel certain that the families of those killed would disagree most vehemently. Good lord, man.
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Originally Posted by John Roberts
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The 6 lives lost were terrible. But I'm afraid the greater loss is the aircraft.
I feel certain that the families of those killed would disagree most vehemently. Good lord, man.
JR

Well, your right John, I would not expect them to agree with me. But, having a greater sorrow for the loss of history doesn't necessarily diminish the loss of life either. The men that maintained and flew those planes knew their value to the world.


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In my time in the Marine Corps, REMF stood for Rear Echelon Mother [censored - come on man!]-- RMEF?? maybe in your branch it was different than mine. No words to express the tragedy played out in the tragic loss of the the crew and pilot(s) of both vintage aircraft. In WW!! in the ETO, my favorite fighter pilot and fighter plane was Chuck Yeager and his P51-D Mustang. RWTF


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