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Originally Posted by bbman3
I have short fingers and when i was younger i could shoot double trigger guns well, but now at 81 fingers are not working so well and sst triggers are better for me. Bobby

Bobby, if you are out there at age 81, you should use whatever works best for you. That, is an accomplishment.

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Thanks Ted! Bobby

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Yes, it’s about cold weather hunting. Hunted a nasty day in Iowa last week and there was simply no way my hands could endure it with gloves suitable for double triggers. I have two Brit and two Italian doubles, all with double triggers. Not a biggy, I’ll be like Ted and stick with my 686 Onyx when it’s cold and windy.

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Those parts of the country that generally have the most pheasants also have some very cold weather. I do have a 16ga (Husqvarna) with a pretty generous space between front and rear triggers. (Imagine that . . . coming from Sweden, where it also gets pretty cold.) But I just acquired an Ithaca SKB 12ga. I've killed a fair number of cold weather pheasants with SKBs, and have never had an issue with their SSTs. Ted, I do agree with you on the guns that try to incorporate the barrel selector into the safety, when it requires moving in two different directions to do so. The beauty of the Miller is that it's a one way move: Forward for the R barrel, back for the L. But I'd just as soon not have to think about making sure the safety is in the middle when I want the gun on safe in cold weather.

Re differences between the 400 and 700 . . . Well, for starters, the 400 is a screw grip gun with a rib extension, which the 700 lacks. I don't know how similar their single triggers are. But given that fairly significant design difference, I'd say there's a fair chance that they're not identical.

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I don't have much trouble with double triggers and gloves for Iowa pheasants - at least not until it is down in the single digits and windy. I do, often wear a mitten on my left hand though, and then give my trigger hand some pocket time. Just have to find the right set of gloves. OR makes the best I've found, followed closely by The North Face.

The other alternative is to slide a Zippo or similar handwarmer into the cuffs of my jacket. That keeps my fingers warm in the worst stuff.

Sadly, this year, I'll get no cold winter pheasant hunting. My season ends tomorrow.


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Brent, would you please post the links or send me a PM with the specific models of these gloves you like? Thanks

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Another vote for double triggers. A lot of shooting is muscle reaction or some learned instinct. Since my first double had double triggers, my fingers on a single trigger double tend to do what Ted described, after the first shot I instinctively go for the missing second trigger and screw up on the second shot if I need it, which I usually do. Never had trouble with gloves, but I do forgo days that are below 20 degrees.


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Originally Posted by L. Brown
Re differences between the 400 and 700 . . . Well, for starters, the 400 is a screw grip gun with a rib extension, which the 700 lacks. I don't know how similar their single triggers are. But given that fairly significant design difference, I'd say there's a fair chance that they're not identical.


I believe I read right here that you can see the remnants of a screw grip machining operation on a disassembled 700. The screw grip was not fitted to the 700, but, it wasn’t worth changing tooling and operations from the former guns to build the new model, sans screw grip.

Regardless, as I pointed out, the big difference was Roland Bloomer. Stan had him, to work on his trigger.

I’ll be out there, today, supposed to be 50 degrees, and I’m thinking the Beretta will make the trip. It was my Dad’s hunting spot, and that was his gun. Miss my folks coming for Thanksgiving since they passed, maybe just keeping a tiny little remaining memory alive.

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My British friends teach to shoot the rear trigger first to avoid a double, especially with a 40 or 50 caliber double rifle. I find that recoil puts your hand and trigger finger going away from the front trigger. You then have less time setting up for the second shot getting your trigger finger and or wrist/grip resettled causes me to rush the shot. With a sensibly weighted 12 gauge, or a one ounce load with a lighter shotgun or smaller gauge shotgun, if you shoot the front trigger first, recoil automatically puts the rear trigger at your finger tips with no grip readjustment. Switching back to single triggers is not an issue then. When I pick up a 40 caliber rifle with double triggers I do go for the rear trigger first. I saw a double once and that was enough!

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I suspect the Percy Stanbury gun was a Model 600 Special (with ejectors) just like my one, which was sold in December 1946 but probably started life before 1939. It has 30 inch barrels and a semi-pistol grip, but two triggers.
I have cleaned it and put it away after shooting 3 duck (with steel) and eight pheasant (one ounce of lead) on our local driven shoot. They still work...

My friends Greener played up so I let him use the Webley - three birds for four shots.

HB

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