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[quote=Ted Schefelbein

I believe I read right here that you can see the remnants of a screw grip machining operation on a disassembled 700. The screw grip was not fitted to the 700, but, it wasn’t worth changing tooling and operations from the former guns to build the new model, sans screw grip.

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Ted, I'm not sure what "remnants" of 400 machining would be visible on a 700. Surely not signs of a slot in the breech face which is quite prominent on the 400 series guns (to engage the rib extension and house the famous "screw" part of the mechanism) but totally lacking on 700 series guns. Given the postwar economy, W&S elected to cut some corners when replacing the 400 series guns with the 700. Rib extension/slot in the breech face was a pretty obvious corner to cut. Again, per Crawford and Whatley, W&S made about 85,000 doubles from 1897-1979. A third of that total were 700 series guns. The machining and tooling corners they cut don't seem to have hurt sales of the 700s.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by bushveld
Sir Winston Churchill's pair of single trigger Woodward SLE shotguns:

https://www.farminglife.com/news/en...-shotguns-display-blenheim-palace-987523

I wonder how much use Mr. Churchill’s guns got. He was a busy boy, post 1902.

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Undoubtedly busier with various duties than was the Prince of Wales, who helped popularize driven shooting by doing a lot of it (along with chasing women) while waiting for Queen Victoria to pass away so he could inherit the crown.

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l, thanks for the imagery...brought back some happy memories...hunting with my son in law and tappy, an irish water spaniel, who just lived for bird hunting with her pack...


https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/irish-water-spaniel-facts/

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Originally Posted by Brittany Man
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gee ted, no mention of silicone nor cutting corners in article...pls confirm that is correct link...

It is common knowledge for anyone who is alive & can read or cares to research the subject before jumping in that silicones will cause finishing problems on most all substrates & with most all finishes.

Ed I really get tired of your posts & I don't understand why you are still here. You bring absolutely nothing to this forum & if you intend your posts to be humorous you are way off the mark!

BM, Ed is here because even when he wasn't those familiar with his sales practices criticized him on this forum. He probably believes that by being a member here with lots of posts, his position as an internet gun peddler is given a certain gravitas to offset the criticism.

I'd suggest that Dave add an entry to the left of every member's post disclosing the number of "ignores" at the time of any new post...Geo

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gee geo, wonder why you are here? tell us, if you like.


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Originally Posted by L. Brown
[quote=Ted Schefelbein

I believe I read right here that you can see the remnants of a screw grip machining operation on a disassembled 700. The screw grip was not fitted to the 700, but, it wasn’t worth changing tooling and operations from the former guns to build the new model, sans screw grip.

Best,
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Ted, I'm not sure what "remnants" of 400 machining would be visible on a 700. Surely not signs of a slot in the breech face which is quite prominent on the 400 series guns (to engage the rib extension and house the famous "screw" part of the mechanism) but totally lacking on 700 series guns. Given the postwar economy, W&S elected to cut some corners when replacing the 400 series guns with the 700. Rib extension/slot in the breech face was a pretty obvious corner to cut. Again, per Crawford and Whatley, W&S made about 85,000 doubles from 1897-1979. A third of that total were 700 series guns. The machining and tooling corners they cut don't seem to have hurt sales of the 700s.[/quote]


The screw grip top lever spindle is still present in the 700 series guns but serves no purpose w/o the rib extension to provide a third locking point. I guess they didn't want to set up operations to machine a revised spindle.

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Bingo. I think you just made my point. Which, WAS NOT that the model 700 didn’t sell (it clearly did) wasn’t a good gun (it clearly was, Lord knows we could use a similar gun produced, today) silicone, or any other side trips. My point was the 700 evolved from the 400, is closely related to it, the DNA is visible, if you know where to look, differences in the single trigger are apt to be minor, and, Roland Bloomer did a great job of keeping Stan’s gun running with it’s single trigger.

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400 have way better finish, engraving. but 700 are great guns I hope the English sends all of them over here if the won't proof for steel shot

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I'm not sure why 700s wouldn't proof for steel shot. The only difference between steel shot proof and Superior proof is that the proof loads for steel shot proof contain steel shot. Not a question of increased pressure or anything like that.

And OK with me that the single trigger differences are "apt" to be minor . . . but we don't know that without taking a look at the "guts" of both guns. There's a very good photo of 400 parts on p. 67 of the Crawford and Whatley book. That'd be a good place to start if someone can come up with a 700 parts photo.

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Don’t know if it applies to postwar ST, but I have a W.&C. Scott that was the last Premier built with SST, and it is the Lard patent trigger design as used by Westley Richards with the sliding selector beside the trigger. The gun was built in 1924, and the trigger has operated perfectly in the 30+ years I have owned it.I seem to remember that Scott and W&S used several different designs before settling on the WR design.I do know that you rarely find a prewar W&S or Scott gun with a factory SST. Sandlapper

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