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There is a guy on another forum with 00 field grade 12 gauge LC Smith that is pre-1913. He was asking if it was safe to shoot factory loaded 3" TSS turkey loads. He and other family members have been using regular 2.75" field loads in it for years, and also using it for turkey hunting with 3" lead loads and even some 3" Hevishot loads. He says it will chamber a 3.5" shell, but he hasn't shot one. He has been advised to shoot proper shells for it, but it's apparent that he is going to continue to shoot what he has been using.

I was wondering how it can even chamber a 3" shell, much less a 3.5?

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Originally Posted by coosa
There is a guy on another forum with 00 field grade 12 gauge LC Smith that is pre-1913. He was asking if it was safe to shoot factory loaded 3" TSS turkey loads. He and other family members have been using regular 2.75" field loads in it for years, and also using it for turkey hunting with 3" lead loads and even some 3" Hevishot loads. He says it will chamber a 3.5" shell, but he hasn't shot one. He has been advised to shoot proper shells for it, but it's apparent that he is going to continue to shoot what he has been using.

I was wondering how it can even chamber a 3" shell, much less a 3.5?


This is the kind of thing that makes me wonder why any manufacturers would entertain the notion of producing consumer firearms and/or ammunition, today.

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would be interested in knowing barrel wall thicknesses 3 1/2 up from breeches...


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If I were grandpa and I saw that video, I think the next time junior came over, I would learn him what a pistol whippin' was. Specially, with that sawed off Fluesy.

Hey Ted I think this is the second time in as many weeks I find myself agreeing with you. Is there something wrong here?

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by coosa
There is a guy on another forum with 00 field grade 12 gauge LC Smith that is pre-1913. He was asking if it was safe to shoot factory loaded 3" TSS turkey loads. He and other family members have been using regular 2.75" field loads in it for years, and also using it for turkey hunting with 3" lead loads and even some 3" Hevishot loads. He says it will chamber a 3.5" shell, but he hasn't shot one. He has been advised to shoot proper shells for it, but it's apparent that he is going to continue to shoot what he has been using.

I was wondering how it can even chamber a 3" shell, much less a 3.5?


This is the kind of thing that makes me wonder why any manufacturers would entertain the notion of producing consumer firearms and/or ammunition, today.

We have seen the enemy, and they are us.

Best,
Ted

People have been abusing guns, cars, trucks, motorcycles, and all manner of machinery for as long as machines have been produced. The "Hold my beer and watch this..." attitude is nothing new.

What is relatively new is the attitude, driven by the Liberal Left, that manufacturers should be held legally liable for injuries or deaths that naturally occur when idiots insist on doing stupid and dangerous stuff. Using things for purposes that they were never intended for, and pushing guns or machines far beyond their design limits is bound to cause accidents. The Liberal Left response to this is to sue companies into bankruptcy. It's the same sort of mentally deficient lunacy that blames inanimate objects like guns, and millions of law abiding gun owners, for the actions of a tiny minority of criminals.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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A post on the LCSCA Forum in Dec. 2014 regarding a 1906 No. 0 10g; barrel composition unknown by the gentleman:
“I was at a farm where a guy I have known for a couple years came out with this L.C. smith. He first shot the gun with Federal Premium Vital-Shok 3 1/2 Inch Magnum copper-plated 1100 fps 27 pellets No. 1 buck (27 pellets of #1 buck is about 2 1/2 oz.). I still have the box and 1 live shell. He fired one shell out of each barrel with no problems. I asked if I could shoot the gun...and fired 1 shell out of each barrel.”
“I have never seen a gun this old nevertheless shoot one. I thought it would be cool to hunt with it. I'm guessing from your comment not such a good idea.”

A recent thread on Shotgun World
https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/identifying-belgian-10-gauge.552771/#post-4774604

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Buck Hamlin’s destructive testing, courtesy of Tom Archer
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=422672&page=2
Buck Hamlin was given an extremely well-used damascus barrel Lefever with a burst right barrel just past the forend tip. The barrel wall thickness at the rupture point was .010”, and the chamber was 2 5/8”.
With the intent to rupture the left barrel, Buck measured the bore diameter and started his effort with a box of 2 3/4” 1 5/8 oz. short magnums. After 25 shells the left barrel had no change in bore diameter. He then lengthened the chamber to 3”, and following 25 1 7/8 oz. magnums (lead #2 and BB) there was still no change in bore diameter.
Buck then lengthened the chamber to 3 1/2” and used 3 1/2” 2 1/4 oz. lead turkey loads. The left barrel blew after only a few shots. The wall thickness at the rupture point, which was almost aligned with the bursting point of the right side tube, also measured .010”.

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Reminds me of how we young teenagers used to shoot .38-55's in our .410 singles, and also arrows with the pellets removed from cartridges. And then there were the homemade fireworks and flame throwers.

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Originally Posted by Hal
Reminds me of how we young teenagers used to shoot .38-55's in our .410 singles, and also arrows with the pellets removed from cartridges. And then there were the homemade fireworks and flame throwers.

ah, the good old days!


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You did notice they were not using a ithaca 20 bore gun. All but one cracked frame I have ever seen were 20's with a very light receiver. Best outcome for all is for that video to be banned and those "shooters" to have a vasectomy to stop their genes from being passed down to others.

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Originally Posted by Drew Hause
A post on the LCSCA Forum in Dec. 2014 regarding a 1906 No. 0 10g; barrel composition unknown by the gentleman:
“I was at a farm where a guy I have known for a couple years came out with this L.C. smith. He first shot the gun with Federal Premium Vital-Shok 3 1/2 Inch Magnum copper-plated 1100 fps 27 pellets No. 1 buck (27 pellets of #1 buck is about 2 1/2 oz.). I still have the box and 1 live shell. He fired one shell out of each barrel with no problems. I asked if I could shoot the gun...and fired 1 shell out of each barrel.”
“I have never seen a gun this old nevertheless shoot one. I thought it would be cool to hunt with it. I'm guessing from your comment not such a good idea.”

A recent thread on Shotgun World
https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/identifying-belgian-10-gauge.552771/#post-4774604

OTOH
Buck Hamlin’s destructive testing, courtesy of Tom Archer
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=422672&page=2
Buck Hamlin was given an extremely well-used damascus barrel Lefever with a burst right barrel just past the forend tip. The barrel wall thickness at the rupture point was .010”, and the chamber was 2 5/8”.
With the intent to rupture the left barrel, Buck measured the bore diameter and started his effort with a box of 2 3/4” 1 5/8 oz. short magnums. After 25 shells the left barrel had no change in bore diameter. He then lengthened the chamber to 3”, and following 25 1 7/8 oz. magnums (lead #2 and BB) there was still no change in bore diameter.
Buck then lengthened the chamber to 3 1/2” and used 3 1/2” 2 1/4 oz. lead turkey loads. The left barrel blew after only a few shots. The wall thickness at the rupture point, which was almost aligned with the bursting point of the right side tube, also measured .010”.

Thanks for the great info, but I don't understand how the guy I referenced above or the one you mentioned are able to chamber a 3.5" shell in an old LC Smith. Don't they all have short chambers? Do they have long forcing cones that make this possible? Thanks

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