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do you have a shortage of 2 1/2 cartridges?

we certainly do here in the former colonies, and even further west over two mountain ranges, until you finally reach the big blue ocean...

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I recently went to Hull Cartridge web site and sent them a message that it was wide open here in the U.S. for their cartridges. Problem is I suppose is all the UK shell manufactures are only producing steel and bismuth shells now. No lead as it is banned in the UK


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well, that explains that...

cept, maybe there are export markets where lead is still legal?

that hull and others might wish to exploit...

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Mayville Engineering Company does not show a lessening on capability.
They are a USA company.
From them I get 2", 2 1/2" ammo and also low pressure 2 3/4" ammo.
10, 12, 16, 20, 28 410 plus other odd stuff

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Originally Posted by PALUNC
I recently went to Hull Cartridge web site and sent them a message that it was wide open here in the U.S. for their cartridges. Problem is I suppose is all the UK shell manufactures are only producing steel and bismuth shells now. No lead as it is banned in the UK

Incorrect,plenty of lead 21/2" cartridges available .Lead has not been banned yet in the UK !!!!!!

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I agree with Imperdix - there are plenty of 2 1/2" cartridges here. In fact the standard training cartridges for clays are ALL 2.5" (or65mm) length, such as the excellent Hull CompeX loads in 21 or 28 gram loads (that's 3/4 or one of your old Imperial ounces.

I have just come back from shooting high pheasant in the Scottish Borders with my Webley 600 and Hull High Pheasant cartridges, using 30 grams of size 5 lead shot. Works fine. Anything else heavier is unpleasant.

There are four British ammo companies active here: Hull, Lyalvale (also based in Hull), Eley Hawk (now under Spanish ownership and Gamebore. All offer plenty of choices. There are now even a few 2.5" cartridges with steel shot, which is a bit of a challenge because of the need for a bioderadeable plastic wad to contain the 30% more bulky steel shot. Hull have a new one ounce load just released. I have used the Lyalvale Earth Wad loading (roll crimp over a wad) with some success, and have some Gamebore Regal ones to try.

So all is not lost!

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If I turn up at our small local clay shoot with a 2 1/2” 12 bore they may or may not have 2 1/2” (65 mm) cartridges on sale so I now make sure I have a couple of boxes in the car. They generally have 12, 20 and .410 on sale although the .410 varies between 2 1/2” and 3” (all fibre wads as it is a “Fibre wads only” shoot).

Generally no problem in buying what you want, lead is still freely available and Just Cartridges will deliver to our doors.

What does surprise me, however, is the level of bidding at Southams and Holts on slabs of shotgun cartridges. Given the uncertainty of age and storage conditions before being put into the sales, and the fact that cartridges have to be collected from the auctioneers there seems to be little margin between prices realised at auction and retail prices.

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Not so much a shortage, but I do find that many shops concentrate on clay shooters. Not surprising as there are more of them.

I have found that I have to shop around to find a 2 1/2" game load, especially for my preferred Lyalvale Express Supreme Game 30 gms No 6 fibre.

In anticipation of the coming lead ban and wishing to build up a stock, I have a notification set up with the Just Cartridges web site for when they get their next delivery of the Bio Ammo Blue (Bioammo Blue comprises of an alloy mixture of Bismuth, Aluminium, Tin and Zinc, producing performance similar to that of lead. Both the case and wad are biodegradable and compostable). I understand that availability will not now be before next season, when I suspect more shoots here in the UK than the few at the moment, will demand using non-lead alternative shot.

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I have been dismantling and weighing various steel loads, plus one BioAmmo load. Their pellets, of that alloy above, are 15% LIGHTER than mild steel, unlike pure Bismuth, which is 15% heavier/ more dense than mild steel. Shot size 5 measured between 3.0 and 3.2mm in diameter.

I have yet to fire any though. We will see. Should be OK at close range.

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Originally Posted by PALUNC
I recently went to Hull Cartridge web site and sent them a message that it was wide open here in the U.S. for their cartridges. Problem is I suppose is all the UK shell manufactures are only producing steel and bismuth shells now. No lead as it is banned in the UK

If you go on the websites for Lyalvale (now part of Fiocchi), and Gamebore you will find a statement which clarifies UK cartridge manufacturing industry regarding the pending imposition of restrictions on lead shot ammunition and their problem in facing this challenge as commercial entities.

As for the post above suggesting that an alloy mixture of Bi,Alum,Tin Zinc can reproduce the ballistics of Pb seems wishful thinking .... excepting anybody with basic grounding in physics and chemistry?

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