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#624492 01/02/23 11:33 AM
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when parker developed their hammerless gon, whose bolting system did they copy?


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Ed, in your apparent New Year's "thirst for knowledge of all things Parker, why not log into the PGCA and ask that..If caught short when, if you should ever, ask me- I'd probably say: "Walter King Sr."??. Maybe our resident Parker-guru, "Eight-Bore would kindly clear up any confusion regarding this query. RWTF

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simple question...

seems like the only confusion so far is your post above...


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You ask a question, then don't like the answer. That was not a SWAG.

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Parker went out of their way not to use someone else's patents and at times, IMHO, designed certain functions more complicated than really necessary. Why in the first place do you think they copied someone's bolting system ? They couldn't design their own ? IMHO, it was a PITA. But that's just my opinion. Hope the Parker crowd doesn't get on me too bad, I do own a number of them. I just think the Remington's and Ithaca's have a much simpler systems that use less parts.

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well, some early english hammerless guns have bolting systems similar to parkers...

england was way ahead of us with hammerless designs...figured they copied somebody elses design...

like why reinvent the wheel...

just make it different enough to avoid patent infringements...

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Concerning bolting systems, Parker Brothers didn't fall into the "multiple bolting lug" trap. They used one locking bolt and didn't try to improve on it by using more than one. It seems to have worked for more than 150 years without a change considering the Parker Reproduction and the Galazan AAHE still use the identical system. The doll's head rib extension was never part of the locking mechanism on a Parker, only a show piece that was not included on many Parkers from early models, to Trojans, to pigeon guns and single barrel trap guns up to the last years of production.

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pms seem to claim that a guy named king was tasked with the job of coming up with the bolting system for the new parker hammerless gun in the late 1880"s...

story goes, he looked around and decided to use the westley richards systems, as patented by messers anson and deely, in the 1870's...

in order to avoid patent infringement problems, king modified the wr bolting and forend latch systems, enough to make the parker systems patentable...

one of those modifications was to eliminate the wr top bolt, but to retain the dolls head rib extension...

like eightbore said the parker single bottom locking bolt system worked like a charm...as does the parker forend latch system...

and if either does become loose, they are quite easy to tight up...

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and here are the famous jack rowe videos, re tightening the bite... and tightening the forend...





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If, as Ed implies, Parker looked around and decided to use the Westley Richards system, they must have changed their minds because the Parker and Westley Richards locking systems are as far apart in design as any two guns can be. Ed must be feigning ignorance, if this is the correct term for it. He's playing with us.

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