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Sometimes saying things correctly makes you look pretentious. I have one nice watch, a Baum & Mercier which is pronouned BOOM eh MerSEE. I have never heard anyone actually say it that way.

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Originally Posted by Gr8day
Sometimes saying things correctly makes you look pretentious. I have one nice watch, a Baum & Mercier which is pronouned BOOM eh MerSEE. I have never heard anyone actually say it that way.

Hopefully they don't call them "BM's".

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Originally Posted by John Roberts
Why have and does the gun community insist on saying "Aya" for AyA, which is the abbreviation for Aguirre and Aranzabal? Some even go so far as to say "A Y A". Huh?
JR

The mispronunciation that bugs me, concerning guns, is when I hear Leupold pronounced Lee-uh-pold. It's Loo-pold.


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Cheddite is another common one. I pronounce it how it supposed to be and everyone looks at me like “WTF did you just say”?

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Well, that was a nice dance.
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Originally Posted by KY Jon
English abbreviations, of Spanish names and words does not translate well. AyA, A and A, or whatever you want to call them have sold more double guns than anybody else I think. I have read over 600,000 so far according to Holts. Everything from lowest field grade, non ejector to decent knockoffs of H&H side plates, with everything in between. Plus a decent knock off O/U.

Their cheap box locks was the final blow to the English gun trade for domestic box lock production. Their made to order side plates were cheaper than the used H&H market. They even made a ton of 25” guns. So no major part of the trade was not covered. Perhaps the only market they did not exploit was the very high end and that market is name driven, extremely high quality and very small.

But in the US all we saw for years were the lowest grades so our opinion of them has suffered. I have a number of model 4 in several gauges. They all give good service, are a joy to shoot and carry and did not break the bank. AyA owners mostly don’t care how you spell their name. They work, don’t need much maintenance and are still undervalued.

Manufrance sold 950,000 of one model. I doubt like hell AyA has sold more doubles than anyone else.


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James: Probably to us they have.

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At one time I was practically fluent in German (less so today) complements of my Uncle Sugar and 2 years living in Germany. I hear Americans with German surnames mispronounce their own names all the time. I don't correct them.

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Canvasback, in the last 50 years AyA most likely has sold the most. Numbers get tricky when you compare Eras to recent or current sales. In my lifetime AyA has sold a ton of guns. Spain was a go to source for price point guns for decades starting in the 1960’s if not earlier. Overtime several other makers have outproduced them for certain but the Spanish gun makers became major players which meant a decline in Belgian,French and British makers share. With the decline of Uk, Belgian, French and German gun makers we have seen an offsetting rise of Spanish, then Italian, Japanese and now Turkish production. I thought that China might also step in but their quality control was even worse than the Russians and consumers quickly went to other makers.

There is actually an interesting video about post WWII manufacturing shifts in Europe and how countries not bombed to scratch or bankrupted by war debt went into manufacturing like guns. Cheap labor, steel making ability, decent infrastructure and ability to undercut prices of traditional suppliers helped countries like Spain gain in the gun business. Also the ability to copy previous designs helped which is why Spain picked a tried and proven box lock and H&H side lock as their starting points. No research, no need to market new features or unproven designs. New gun at less than any used gun of the same design.

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