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I have just watched a new YouTube video where Simon Reinhold of Holts shows off to Johnny of TGS Outdoors his favourite SxS for clay shooting.
He just won the British Side by Side championship with it!
It is a sleeved W. J. Jeffrey hammer 12 bore 3” pigeon gun circa 1910. It is an early sleeving job with SLEEVED stamped on the sides of the barrels as the Proof house then insisted.
It makes me think more kindly of my sleeved guns. I bought an Edwinson Green 2 3/4” BLE 12 bore SLEEVED by Westley Richards with a view to having it as a spare on days when our local clay ground can only offer 70mm shells.
My favourite Edwinson Green BLE has 2 1/2” chambers. I have been meaning to get the SLEEVED gun altered for length and cast to match it (they are both 28” barrels) and must get round to it.
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Sleeved English guns are the best deal in the game. At least as far as I'm concerned.
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Many claim sleeved guns do not feel like they did before being sleeved. Duh. Barrels become lighter as they get honed to death. By the time they get sleeved they have become so thin that they are borderline safe to even shoot and are much lighter in the barrels than they started out in life. Yes sleeving does change things but not as much as many think. I only have a few sleeved guns but find them all to be acceptable. I never knew what they felt like before, so can only go by their current feel.
I am more sad for the loss of the lovely Damascus beauty than a change in barrel weight of 2-4-6 ounces. If it really bothers you have the gun rebalanced to suit. A six pound, seven pound and eight pound gun can all be balanced on the hinge pin or most other points if you like, but will still work with the feel between the hands as they say. The heavier guns might take a bit more effort to swing but also will be less prone to being stopped like many ultra lights guns. They can be smoother but slightly slower. I have several thin barreled guns I wish I could get sleeved or were already sleeved. Just born on the wrong side of the Atlantic.
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Sleeved guns give me the opportunity to afford guns I wouldn't normally come close to being able to buy.
And I saw that video too.
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I have become addicted to English hammered shotguns to the detriment of my wallet.
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Sleeved guns give me the opportunity to afford guns I wouldn't normally come close to being able to buy.
And I saw that video too. I could not agree more. There are good sleeving jobs out there and some ugly bad one’s too. I have owned three sleeved guns over the years, I still have two of them.
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I am more sad for the loss of the lovely Damascus beauty than a change in barrel weight of 2-4-6 ounces. If it really bothers you have the gun rebalanced to suit. A six pound, seven pound and eight pound gun can all be balanced on the hinge pin or most other points if you like, but will still work with the feel between the hands as they say. The heavier guns might take a bit more effort to swing but also will be less prone to being stopped like many ultra lights guns. They can be smoother but slightly slower. I have several thin barreled guns I wish I could get sleeved or were already sleeved. Just born on the wrong side of the Atlantic. Amen.
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Saw the video. I have the exact same gun, bearing Jefferey's name, but not sleeved and with original Damascus barrels nitro proofed to 2 3/4". Jefferey never made the gun and it is in fact an example made by the Midland Gun Co. in Birmingham and based on a model they called the 'Sudden Death' catalogue number 8350. Lagopus.....
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sleeving is a good way to save a fine old gun from the scrap yard and being turned into lawnmower blades.
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My 80 year old neighbour uses a pair of Wm. Evans boxlocks in 12 bore. He had them sleeved about 20 years ago, and also chose 28" barrels rather than the original unfashionable 30" barrels. He also specified 2.75" chambers. They work a treat and he shows up all the lads with their funny over-under thingies.
So he is now set up perfectly for the next 20 years, even if the mooted ban on lead shot does get imposed here in the UK...
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Sleeved guns give me the opportunity to afford guns I wouldn't normally come close to being able to buy.
And I saw that video too. I could not agree mor. There are good sleeving jobs out there and some ugly bad one’s too. I have owned three sleeved guns over the years, I still have two of them. I had the chance to buy (at an attractive price) a Parker DHE 12 sleeved by Westley Richards, sadly not there best work.
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