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Re: Francotte models explained? Little Creek #637696 11/17/23 12:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 767 Likes: 18 Sullivan, IN bsteele Sidelock
bsteele Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 767 Likes: 18 Sullivan, IN	Don’t forget the possibility that the dealers don’t know what they have. The 25E advertised at G&H is what I would call a 20E. The 25’s I’ve had & seen have more engraving and with a flower/vine thing that looks like a long funnel. Dealers can justify a higher price if they can convince you they have a higher grade gun for sale.
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Re: Francotte models explained? Little Creek #637698 11/17/23 01:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,427 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,427 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS	Bro. Beach explains the Jubilee guns in the link I posted. More "There were 21 different models of Francotte's sold by VL&D between 1889 and 1909. The Jubilee model was a low-end gun (one step above the Knockabout) built for Abercrombie & Fitch in 1939 - hence the name Jubilee which celebrated the 50th anniversary of the importation of Francotte's by VL&D/A&F." https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: Francotte models explained? Drew Hause #637705 11/17/23 05:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,129 Likes: 198 Maryland eightbore Sidelock
eightbore Sidelock Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,129 Likes: 198 Maryland	You have to go to jtplumb's link to Drew's link to Shotgunworld to see Bob Beach's definitive list of Francotte grades. Sorry, it isn't easy, but that's just what you have to do.

Re: Francotte models explained? bsteele #637723 11/18/23 12:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 623 Likes: 1 Alaska Little Creek OP Sidelock
OP Little Creek Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 623 Likes: 1 Alaska	bsteele-I agree with your assessment of the G&H 20ga listed as a 25E Looks plain to me. Mike

Re: Francotte models explained? Little Creek #637724 11/18/23 12:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 623 Likes: 1 Alaska Little Creek OP Sidelock
OP Little Creek Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 623 Likes: 1 Alaska	Wish I could post a picture here as it would inspire comment.

Re: Francotte models explained? bsteele #637725 11/18/23 12:48 PM
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OP Little Creek Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 623 Likes: 1 Alaska	bsteele-I have the same model you describe, with the bold vine engraving. Not at all like the G&H 25 advertised. Mine was sold to me as a 20E. When I asked the seller how he knew it was a 20, he said he wasn't certain of it...

Re: Francotte models explained? Little Creek #637728 11/18/23 01:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,427 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,427 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS	This? https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...-a-gorgeous-shotgun.cfm?gun_id=101448531 The date code is 1937 and it's not a Jubilee 1937 VL&D catalog is available https://www.ebay.com/itm/290893129934 https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: Francotte models explained? Little Creek #637732 11/18/23 03:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 623 Likes: 1 Alaska Little Creek OP Sidelock
OP Little Creek Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 623 Likes: 1 Alaska	Drew- I agree with your comment on the 1937 gun. Looks like what I would call a model 25. I think my gun is also a Model 25. Those catalogs are rather pricey.

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