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The guns don't do a whole lot for me but the fences on these look really cool. William Evans Pair DH
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These ID the gun as having been built by P. Webley and/or (later) Webley & Scott. The name of the style escapes me at the minute.
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I for one like them and think they're a really attractive pair. I would have thought however that Wm. Evans would have been capable of building guns from scratch and was surprised to see this pair ascribed to W&S.
Jim
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I cant see how they list them as Best Quality??? They are a flat back action, with what look to be back action locks...am I missing something...
Yea Yea the fences look fine!!...
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They are Webley & Rogers "Screwgrips" per Webley & Brain patent No. 3053 of 1882. (Sometimes called "Jolly Rogers" by Scott-trained gunmakers.) Made initially by P Webley for the trade, then successor Webley & Scott. They do have back-action locks. At a time when a "best" bar-action London SLE would be 60 guineas, these might have been 50, give or take a few pounds. There are tons of guns like these out there (many Evans included), not all made to this standard of fit & finish, though.
The higher grades, with fences such as these, are (can be) excellent guns.
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There is a suggestion that Wm Evans actually built no guns at all; they were all contracted out; Scott's are said to comprise the bulk of Evans' ouput. This is alleged to be typical of the English gun trade of the era: many a "maker" - including the very best - was somewhere closer to simple finisher or even just retailer. Few like to admit it though.
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Those fences are common on Evans guns and they have been seen on the guns of many other makers including Monk, Army Navy etc. Others like P Webley, W C Scott, Webley and Scott built most of the Evans guns. Those fences on guns built by Webley and Scott had a standard name, but I cannot recall it now. Bentley and Playfair and Hollis Bentley and Playfair built guns mostly for the trade like the above makers. They also produced this same fence and called it "leaf fence". The leaf fence cost up to an additional 7 bps per gun. Neat look.
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Going by the pictures...whats not to like?
"Best quality," does not mean best gun!
In fit and finish, and thats what counts - William Evans was top drawer.
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Yep, they were top drawer. Evans neither made them nor finished them. These are standard Webley W & R 1st Models (54 pounds in 1914), and were supplied complete to Evans. It's long been known that William Evans was a retailer before the war, and that their pre-war double guns were amost entirely Webley products, and bear Webley serial numbers on the barrels in addition to Evan's own numbers.
I haven't talked to anyone in the trade that believes that Evans was finishing any of these. I had a nice talk with a guy at SCI that worked for Evans for many years and spent quite a bit of time rooting around in the records. He said that there was no question that these were being bought in from Webley complete.
I believe the fence carving is known as "trefoil motif".
"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."
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I thought these were known as " ribanded" fences...
not certain, just came to mind...
best regards,
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