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#7572 10/28/06 06:00 PM
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Looked at an almost new AyA Churchill XXV today with detachable sidelocks, lots of engraving, average wood with checkered butt. First one I've seen with a single selective trigger. Had a very narrow rib and single bead. Choked *** and **** (Modified & Improved???).

What is a fair price?

What is the general consenus on the 25" barrels? Is this a passe fad? Or worthwhile? Primary use would be upland birds over a pointing dog.

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The 25" barrels are a PASSED fad. Their popularity was maybe 25-40 years ago. However, they would work just fine for your stated use, just as they did, 25-40 years ago. The sporting clays trend to longer and longer barrels make them harder to sell now. If it feels good to you and you would like a single trigger and the price is right, the decision is yours. My Blue Book says $3600(that's unfired, NIB) @ 100%, $1750 @ 98% and $1350 @ 95%. I'd lean on the seller hard about the "undesirability of the short barrels". I'd think somewhere under $2000, and only then if you really like it and expect to keep it. Let us know what happens. JL


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Great, if it fits you and comes with a Churchill rib.

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I just bought an older AYA sidelock (H&H style detachable) that could be described as a field grade XXV. It has a plain wood, vent rib, a single bead, single selective trigger, selective ejectors, and a plastic AYA buttplate. It has much lesss engraving than a XXV, but otherwise is very similar. Got if from a guy who knew just what it was and he wanted $800. I saw a pretty clean XXV at Cabela's, Glendale, and they want $2700ish, I think.

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One other factor for a low price is that single trigger.Between the 25' barrels and the single trigger I would say the pool of potential buyers is pretty low.If you want the gun and it serves your purpose like Jim says lean on the seller and emphasize the negatives to get a very low price.When it comes time to sell it your going to have the same low pool of buyers to deal with.
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I think it is up to how you shoot it and your goals for the gun. Currently, the fad is long barrels and 80 years ago it was short barrels.

I shoot XXV's well and some people shoot 34" guns well. Buy the gun for your shooting style and goals.

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My 67-vintage AYA has both the single trigger and the 25-inch barrels, and it works very well for me. Don't spend too much time worrying about what the next guy might want. If you like it and it works for you, get it.

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I'd be quite suspect of the single selective trigger.

Basque single triggers don't have a very good history of behaving themselves.

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Depends on the grade of the gun, me thinks. I have a wonderful AyA M53e with the single selective trigger that has never, repeat never, misbehaved. An old lower grade AyA, a #3 if I remember right, did have some issues in warm weather, but not in cold.


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