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I know that this has been discussed before, but........

I have a gun that is choked .030 and .030. I plan to use it for sporting clays mostly. Due to its originality and condition I will NOT open the chokes.

Now some of you use tighter chokes for clays and I will learn to do so, but there may be times that I want a more open choke.

So I may get back into reloading. What products have you used to get a more open pattern?

I know two options would be to use Briley sub-gauge tubes or shoot cheapie Mall Wort shells.

These would not be my first choices however.

Maybe I should just learn to shoot tight chokes


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Use 8's with more speed.

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In a similar situation, I use a plastic POLYWAD insert on the top of my handloads, before crimping; and it works well. It opens the patterns.

This is a white plastic disc about the size of a dime, with a short post attached to it.

They are inexpensive, and effective.

If you don't handload, FIOCCHI makes a similar spreader load.

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A "cheapie Mall Wort" shell is made by one of the major manufacturers and has decent internal components so it WILL NOT shoot a wider pattern than a equiv AA Win load by any noticable amount. A big myth that they are of poor quality, IMO.

You didn't say what the gun was that you were discussing, but you did say you wouldn't open the chokes, so it must be either a vintage gun or a valuable gun as is. If it's a vintage gun, the Fiocci spreaders are all of relatively high velocity and likely high pressures. Give that some consideration before you use them in a vintage gun.

Handloading may be your best bet if low pressure is needed with a spreader.

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Hello Mark, I use Fiocchi and Gamebore spreaders for serious sporting in my 21's. They use the same wad and are ~equivalent in performance. Either will open a pattern by 10-15% at 30"/40 yards and that's with any choke, not just tight ones. However they are much too hot for a vintage gun. I'm sure they're loaded to modern SAAMI max pressure ~ 12,000 psi. The only ones I can find nowadays are 1-1/8 ounce at 1250 fps and recoil is definitely there. Fiocchi used to make 1-1/8 ounce at 1200 fps which I much preferred but I believe they are off the market, at least I haven't been able to find them. When I shoot my Foxes with tight chokes for sporting I just use reloads with soft shot #8's or 9's for the closer birds. Actually that may be the best bet even with the 21's. Forces me to really concentrate on the sight picture I want. Frank


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It's very easy. I use the X-stream from BPI. 2 cents per each. They take up the same room as 1/8 oz of shot, so use a wad with more capacity than you normally would, and just push these in the shot before you close the crimp.

They do not need to be seated before the shot is dropped, contrary to some opinion. This way, you can use a progressive loader like a Grabber just fine. I've been doing it this way for years, and it makes a fine spread load. I do use a small screwdriver to push them in far enough that they don't interfere with the crimp.



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I'm doing the same, Shotgun---inexpensive and they work.

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If you want low pressure spreader loads. Poly Wad makes them.

I believe they are called the "double wide" vintage Spred-r load. They are a 2.5 inch shell if I remember correctly.


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I use a large diameter drinking straw as a 'post' after the shot is dropped; opens up mod to full fine. Sorry, I don't have any statistics other than pattern at 30 yds is larger.

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Pattern Control post wad similar to discontinued Remington post wad. Home fabbed cardbd. equivalent of the X-stream.

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