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Did the M21 ever come with a case colored receiver? I have never seen one but often wondered if it was an option or ever done as an upgrade.
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No.
Why would you consider that an upgrade?
Last edited by Don Moody; 11/04/06 11:25 PM.
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Upgrade meaning engraving with case coloring.
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Since the Win Model 21 used a high temsile steel, there was/is no need for case coloring. Case coloring results from the need to harden parts made of low tensile steel material. It is/was somewhat attractive but for todays modern receivers is not really needed and most case on modern guns is not due to heat treat. Spanish and Brit guns may be an exception where they are using historical methods.
CSMC will case color a Model 21 receiver.-Dick
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Upgrade meaning engraving with case coloring. I would not consider case coloring an upgrade on a Model 21.
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...but a retractable sling would be.
It'd look just like a Frenchman's gun then!
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Interesting thread. Color case by the traditional bone meal + other chemicals method involves heating to high temps and then quenching. Too much alchemy for me especially on modern heat treated chrome moly steel as in M-21 receivers. Cyanide "color case" might be better in this case but all it does is color the surface, no real effect on the strength of the metal. Like other posters I would ask, why do it? John Olin did the M21 in blued steel; why gild the lily? Silvers
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Well, I wouldn't do it either; however, it seemed to me that someone, somewhere must have done it/seen it. I have seen may M21's of all vintage, but never saw a cased version and just thought it a bit odd. Better steel seems to be the answer. Thanks to all for your input!
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I wouldn't consider it on a M21, but it brings up a good point; case coloring is yet another attribute that fell by the wayside as guns became more 'advanced'. If I were in 1935 buying a big-buck gun, such as a M21, I'd be pretty disappointed in a blued finish. I still would be today. A blued receiver screams "corporate cost cutting measure" to me. Is there any other high-end shotgun that gets shipped with a blued receiver?
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My memory says that mdl 21 recievers were heat treated for hardness and that some of the early ones cracked because WW did a poor job. I saw a nice 20 gauge years ago that had a hairline crack at the junction of the standing breach and water table.
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