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I'm not going to wade thru 17 pages of this stuff, but I am going to state that I know Jim Legg personally, have shot with him, and he is a good guy. Maybe old and crotchety, but not dishonest, and not a thief.
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From Webster: Main Entry:
in·spec·tion Listen to the pronunciation of inspection
Pronunciation:
\in-ˈspek-shən\
Function:
noun
Date:
14th century
1 a: the act of inspecting b: recognition of a familiar pattern leading to immediate solution of a mathematical problem <solve an equation by inspection>
2: a checking or testing of an individual against established standards
Definition #2 applies here.
Last edited by Geoff Roznak; 08/17/08 10:34 PM.
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Gee, me understands perfect now! Whaaat  
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Mr.Legg admittedly gave the guy a 3 day unconditional inspection and return period with the understanding the buyer pay shipping both ways, and says now he wishes he hadn't. A man either keeps his word or he doesn't. Return his money, Jim; do it for yourself...Geo
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I am going to state that I know Jim Legg personally, have shot with him, and he is a good guy. Maybe old and crotchety.
Now I see why he won't live up to his end of the bargain.
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Happy feet!! I've got those happy feet!! Within a day's drive I can drive nearly halfway across the US. I don't take chances like some people do. And that gives me happy feet!! Oh, happy feet!!
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this is a pretty certain case of nothing but buyers remorse which isn't valid for return ever. But see, it IS. Unless it's specified otherwise, it's no different than any purchase one makes. It shouldn't make any difference if it's over the internet or at your local Home Depot: a return policy is a return policy, end of story. It's the SELLERS responsibility to limit the terms of the return, if there are any. Bingo. I don't understand why some seem to have trouble grasping this. We're not talking about buying something out of a storefront operation. We're talking about buying a USED gun off the internet sight unseen. Doing so makes no sense at all without a no questions asked return policy during an inspection period of adequate length (which 3 days sometimes is, but sometimes is not). The internet sellers I've bought from have universally offered such a policy, and most reputable net dealers do. Personally, I would never consider doing business with one that did not. I have better things to do than waste time and money messing with the fly-by-night crowd.
"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."
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It is a difficult one.
If the returns policy is without conditions, refund the buyer and charge shipping to him.
If the returns policy is only to check that the gun is as described, don't refund him unless he has cause to argue about the description vs the gun as it arrived.
As a seller, you have to bother with tyre kickers and time wasters - so apply thesecond condition.
As a buyer you worry that buying a gun unseen is a risk - afterall you can't really get a feel for agun unless you have it in your hands.
The solution? Don't buy or sell on the 'net.
or Make sure that teh stated policy is clear from the start and adhere to it.
My advice for what it is worth - Jim, give the chap a refund for the sake of a happy client, make very clear what your returns policy is in future deals and put it down to experience.
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I'm sorry John is not happy but I will not change my mind on the subject.
This will be my last reply on this topic
Later....
If I ever sell another gun on the Internet, you can be sure my return policy will be thoroughly and clearly stated.
I'm sorry he's not happy and I'm sorry I even stuck the "3 day return" in my e-mail. But my decision stands.
Should have had it throughly and clearly stated this time....but yOu didn't. So Pony-up Mr. Jimmy.
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I didn't know who Jim Legg was ...but I most certainly do now....as do hundreds of others.
I don't have any personal axe to grind here. However, this whole exchange is about fighting against clarity in an industry standard. A 3 day inspection is simply that. Return it for whatever reason. That is why a buyer agrees to pay shipping and insurance if returned.
The implications of Legg's comments are that had the buyer simply said "I am returning it...I don't like it." He would have accepted the return....the 26" barrels notwithstanding. Legg is trying to redefine an (until now) accepted industry standard with a specious and juvenile "gotcha" argument and "extraneous facts". Buyers can be difficult...but even the most difficult people get 3 day inspection periods. Legg is a dealer….let's all remember that. He is supposed to uphold that standard.
Having destroyed his reputation over a crappy $1300 gun could be the most stupid thing imaginable. Legg has done thousands of dollars worth of damage to himself.
Bad reputations in this business get distributed geometrically. As evidence of that, I have not posted here in quite a while, but I learned of and was directed to this story from an entirely different site and I suspect it is on several other sites. It doesn't really matter that some here agree with Mr. Legg….nor does it matter that Mr. Legg is so strident in his supposed righteousness …his reputation is done. Not very smart….but whatever.
We all know who the "bad players" are in this business. Mr. Legg has unfortunately just enrolled in that most august group….with honors.
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