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#99991 06/25/08 11:07 PM
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I looked at a gun with this marking. It was a 20 gauge over I'm not sure the caliber but the owner had about 120 loaded shells just for the gun. He said he had someone made a mold and then made the shells. It also had Nimrod Gewehr Fabiik(not sure if that was ri orir or something like that)and nitro proof.It also had a Hensoldi Wetzer dura something(the mount was in the way) and 1765 on the scope. It had a kind of vine engraving (full coverage deep relief) and the butt plate was a kind of basketweave design. A beautiful gun. I have been saving to buy a drilling. I bought The Drilling by Norbert Klups.
My question is this. The gun did not open in the standard way but had a lever that pulled to the left which made the metal on the forearm extend and then when pulling back a little further the barrels swung down. On page 43 the opener is illistrated but it sounds like this type of opener was specific to Teschner & Collath. Also on page 207, the metal on that forend looks like the one on this gun.The owner never had it apart and didn't remember how so I couldn't get any proof marks or year of manufacture. If this gun is deemed in good condition after being inspected by a professional. Can you shoot say trap or sporting clays with it without damaging it or are these more of a stickly hunting gun. I don't mean on a regular basis but maybe 2 or 3 times a year. The seller is asking $5000. I think that is high but it is a 20 gauge(we put in snap caps) and the condition is really nice. He had 4 drillings and accually these were the first drillings that I have ever handled so I really am in the dark on this one and a 5G mistake would not be good.
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Sweep the opening isn't the most desirable. Nothing wrong with it, it's just slow and awkward. Look on the bottom of the rifle cases and it will tell you what caliber it is. The mold should also be marked. I wouldn't buy a drilling without knowing what the rifle caliber is unless it was really cheap. Without seeing the rifle we can't give you an estimate on worth. Just my opinion but I'd keep looking. For the money you wish to spend you can get a much better drilling.

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I agree with Mike, except I wouldn't say you'll get a "better" drilling. You'll get one that will better suit your purposes, will be easier to operate and get ammo for, but Thieme & Schiegelmilch was a high quality maker. It's just that this particular gun is an oddball.


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You don't state your location in your signature or on your profile.
If you let us know what part of the world you're writing from, we can possibly direct you to either *known good* gunsmiths and gunbuilders, or possibly a place near you where there are more similar hunting guns, so that you can compare what you've seen to other Combination guns and Drillings - and compare the value of what you're being offered.

Without photographs of what you are discussing here, it is totally impossible to evaluate whether or not this $5000 would be worth it or not.
Also, at that price range without the gun in the hands - the internet is still not the place to evaluate the worth and fitness of a $5000 gun purchase.

If you don't know what your're getting into, hesitate.

$5000 can get you a very nice, functional 'Like New' condition drilling in common calibers that you won't need to worry about reloading for, and that you won't loose money on when it's time to sell the gun later.

What part of the world are you from?



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Tinker; I'm from Northeast Ohio. I took everyones advice and decided to hold off on this one. When I do purchace a drilling I want to be able to use it without worry. In my search I found a very nice Heym O/U 16 gauge with some nice game scene engraving. It has the hump back stock which I really like but not real popular around here. It worked out well for me so I bought it.
If you know of any places near me I would love to see some quality drillings if poss.
Thanks for all the responces Tom

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Tom-

Cabela's is a reputable source for fine used firearms, visit the 'gun library' on their website

There's a Cabela's in Hamburg, PA which features an on-site fine gun room.
16bX16bX8x57r Greifelt, $4000
At the same store there's a "three barrel gun company" drilling with a 32-40 rifle barrel - likely a 12bX12b, also $4000

Also, in Wheeling, WV German Boxlock Drilling 16ga x 16ga x 9,3x72R, $3199

If you find any gun in the main Cabela's Gun Library , you can have it shipped to a gun library near you for your inspection.
I found twelve different drilling configuration hunting guns in the Miscellaneous category right away.
Many of which are below the $5000 number you were discussing above.

I strongly suggest you look into your local hunting regulations, and the regulations of the areas outside your local area that you would consider hunting with a Drilling, Combination Gun, or Cape Gun. Make sure that it's going to be legal for you to hunt your hunts with such a firearm (cross species hunts -- consider seasons and restrictions!), also consider the array of action systems and safety systems on the guns and evaluate where your level of comfort is around 'Safeties' and/or 'Safe Carry'

Consider the game you'd want to hunt with such a system, and from there you might want to look into the ballistics of the array of cartridges that you see in the aforementioned twelve-gun battery (and that's just Cabela's stock).
That will give you a good start -- a peek into what you'll find these guns chambered in, then narrow your search to focus on getting a gun that'd actually work out for the kind of hunting you want to do.
For instance, if you were thinking a 20b gun would be great because it's light -- and you'd 'make up for the small gauge with magnum loads' think again!
You're not likely to find a drilling in your price range chambered or proofed to handle the heavy-hot-high pressure 20b magnum loads...
Or (again for light weight's sake) find something very light but the rifle is chambered for 32-20 (or even 25-20) will that be adequate, or even legal in your hunting grounds?

Can you see well enough iron sights to hunt with a rifle?
If not you're going to be shopping for a drilling that's at least set up with a scope mounting system -- and if it doesn't have the scope, consider the price (high!) of having a scope and special rings fitted to the mount system -- this ain't no weaver mount on a Rem700, no way!

Then, once you have the rules/regs/ballistics/price range end of your search sorted it's time to go handle everything you can find in as many action types and configurations you can find.
Drilling configuration guns are great -- and many of the ones you will find in your price range that fit the list of requirements are going to be nicely hand made guns -- hand made for someone else! Make sure you'll be getting into something that'll carry, shoulder, and point well for you or you'll then also be looking at having stock work done to get it to fit you too!

Don't let this cold pail of quench kill your interest.
Consider this the very short course on the drilling, from a guy who's in NO WAY WHATSOEVER an expert on the subject. I do however know enough to have pointed these things out to you this far.
Good success to you in your search.
Let us know what you come up with.



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Oh, by the way, I am in no way affiliated with Cabela's.
The search I did was simple and quick - a gift and a start for you.
It's up to you to get on the web and start scouring the 'yellow pages' for fine gun shops near you.
I know absolutely nothing about gun store shopping in the midwest.
I'll let all y'all out there point our friend Tom in the direction of a proper gun room near him.


And by the way, this one, Jung Drilling 16x16x 7mmx57R with .22 chamber insert , is by far my favorite of the drilling configuration packages offered by Cabelas (in the Miscellaneous section at least...)
They're asking ~$5500 for it, but considering the glass and the rimfire conversion unit it's a pretty good looking setup!

This Franz Sodia is pretty sweet too, right at five grand, has cleaner, more modern glass, and looks really clean. Found it in the 'fine rifles' section.

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J-Mar Enterprises in upstate New York is a Drilling specialist. So is Bob Jones out of Texas. Google them both for web sites.

Griffin and Howe have 2 drillings in their Greenwich Ct. store.


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Tinker; Thanks for the help. That is a lot to consider and I'm glad to have that information before I purchase one. I've been on Cabelas and Bob Jones' site but not on the J-Mar site, thanks Pete. These are nice guns but I have never bought a gun without holding it and seeing how it fits me. The closest Cabelas is about 3 - 3 1/2 hrs from me(Wheeling). It seems that there are some guns that I just can't seem to get down on very well and over the years I find I can't shoot those very well. I'm in no big huury so I can take my time. I figure the more guns I see and handle the better decision I can make. Some of these guns are works of art and craftsmanship. I hope to own one.
Thanks Again Tom


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