doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com BEWARE of JAMES LEGG .DANGER!

None of us here know exactly what was discussed between the two parties during all those conversations, for all we know the barrel lenght could have been mentioned several times or not at all. The specifics of the inspection period might have been discussed or not at all as well.

In every area regarding purchaser and seller the word inspection is undertood by all, to insure the item is as described and there are no undisclosed serious deviations. Do we now have to identify for everyone's protection not only what inspection period means, but the definition of buyer, refund, shipping, gauge, forearm, drop at heel, etc.

I recently purchased several guns over the course of a year from a big gun dealer on the net that were listed as new 99% demos, all were by the same maker. All were better than expected, and the last one was very dirty and used extensively. I sent him an email about it and he never replied to me. But from the beginning I never asked him for his personal definition of demo, so I chose not to pursue it. And I would never bad mouth him and broadcast it on any site. If some one asked me about him Ionly then would I relate my personal experiences, both good and bad.

If I bought a single trigger gun, received it, and decided I really wanted a double trigger instead, I would never try to return it without offering the seller reasonable compensation for his trouble. And if he simply said no to me, that's O.K., it was my fault not his.

I guess the gulf between those that think the buyer has the right to return this gun for whatever reason or only the right to return it if there is an undisclosed flaw remains open and unlikely to close.
To me if the ad doesn't say something like "Unconditional Return" then return privileges are in fact restricted to flaws only.
Hopefully we have all learned an important lesson here.
Jim

DRM, barrel length was in the ad.

Barrel length was in the ad, but, still the gun should be able to be returned. Eley should have said, I don't like the BALANCE, instead of I don't like the 26 inch barrels. Somehow saying I don't like 26" barrels when the ad states the gun has 26" barrels somehow makes Mr. Legg feel justified. Where that is not what the fella was relly talking about. And really, even if eley just changes his mind (which is a chump, pain in the butt, if you are on the other end) that is just the way it should be. If you offer an inspection, you should honor it.

I think why myself and alot of other people have a hard time with this is because there are sellers that are less than honest in their descriptions and leave out specific details and this is why liberal 3 day inspections are necessary in order to do good business on the internet.

I'm afraid if there was a pOle taken Mr. Jim would be left standing on one Legg.

I don't think anyone spells as badly as that buyer when sober. I think he was in the tank when he wrote the post. He was probably in the tank when he spoke to Legg and Legg wanted no more to do with him. That guy would have scared me, too. What was the chance that the gun would have come back undamaged and the whole debate would have been over with? Not much chance of that, in my opinion. Legg took the easy way out, probably the right decision. Care to comment, Jim?

You're not insinuating that Mr.Legg would take advantage of a guy that had been drinking are you ?

Maybe the guy was drinking when he bought the Uggie. (I know I'd have to be pretty inebriated to buy one).

That sheds a whole new light on this unfortunate situation....wonder if Mr. Legg is aware of the penalties of selling a gun to a man that had been drinking ?

Maybe it's time for eley to comment as to why he believes an inspection period normally includes buyer's remorse as a valid reason to return a firearm that meets specifications and descriptions, especially when it required all that extra work delivering through FFL's. Will a gun store let you special order a gun they don't have on their shelf and have to purchase it themselves for you, just so you can handle it and then possibly simply say "I've changed my mind and I don't want it"?

I've quoted my last reply because some of the recent posters apparently did not even read it.

Here's some further information: The first contact I had with John (22eley) was an e-mail he sent to me while the gun was in an active auction. In it he told me how he could buy these guns for $500-700 in his part of the country. This was sent in the area where you "ask the seller a question". I politely suggested he should buy one of the $500 guns. I added that I would like buy a dozen Grade II guns like mine, at $700 each. I should have figured him for a flake and steered clear of him. Even though he preferred longer barrels, he was so enthusiastic about this one, knowing full well it was 26" that he even called Mike Orlen to discuss having choke tubes installed in it. We had several more phone conversations and finally agreed on a price. At this time there were no bids on my Gunbroker ad and I pulled it. In my last e-mail to him I included the phrase about 3 day inspection, never dreaming he would want to return it as the gun was like new and he knew every detail about it. If I ever sell another gun on the Internet, you can be sure my return policy will be thoroughly and clearly stated. I don't know what his real reason for wanting to return it but I seriously doubt it had anything to do with the well-known 26" barrels. When he called me after receiving the gun to tell me he couldn't live with the 26" barrels I told him I would not accept a return for that reason. He got huffy and hung up on me. I'm sorry he's not happy and I'm sorry I even stuck the "3 day return" in my e-mail. But my decision stands.
Thank you,

You got the wrong person!-Dick