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I hope I am not violating the rules by drawing attention to a particular auction. I have seen a number of questionable guns for sell by this same person but I am more interested in opinions of the gun instead of the man that did this to the gun. Should this "low heat and chemical process" be something of concern or is it potentially damaging to the receiver? Could it be easily undone? Overlooking the chopped and rebuilt stock is the torch to the receiver something that lowers the value or would it completely rule the gun out for you?


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The torch man is at it again.

I don't know what he means by low heat, by the time he heated one spot and went to the others what temperature do you think the receiver was at then?

Dave, you're sick in a good way. "other then that mrs Lincoln how was the play?"

"Overlooking the chopped and rebuilt stock is the torch to the receiver something that lowers the value or would it completely rule the gun out for you?"

"other then that mrs Lincoln how was the play?"

I don't think that would create any change at all in the cyrstal structure of the steel. It looks like garbage and is done with the intent of looking like case hardening to deceive the unknowing buyer; it won't hold up at all, will be gone in a flash and receiver will be gray once more.

I would not buy a spare part from this faux alchemist!

Nor would I. In fact, in buying a used gun the first thing I might want to know is whether or not Ed Good ever owned it.

Gil, that is what I wanted to know. I didn't know if it was just ugly and could be removed or if it would likely have an adverse affect on the temper of the receiver.

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If the stock had not been cutoff and then spliced, with all the care of his fine metal finishing, that gun would have been a decent buy. He wants $1,200.00 for the gun. If you did not need to replace the stock, then the proper case coloring expense would have been very cost effective. As it is you can not justify several hundred for the recoloring and then several hundred more for a new stock. You would end with over two grand in the gun and never get that much back out of it.

As a shooter is would have been a better buy before the torch. Big Ed1 strikes again.

"Temper" isn't the correct term there. Temper is what you might do to a hardened piece of steel, to remove some hardness, brittleness, as if to a knife blade. The heat from a torch would introduce some carburization; that is strictly on the surface, probably less than .001. Color case hardening is deeper--I think maybe 3-5 thou. But there are others much more knowledgable than I on this subject; I hope they chime in. But the point is that torching the receiver would be less than skin deep and would have no effect (IMO) on the metallurgy; the steel would be fully normalized after the procedure--the crystal stucture would be unchanged. Color case hardening (to which you would assume the receiver was doubtless subjected) only affects the very outside of the case, that portion where the carbon molocules can attach; the interior remains soft

Gil what you are saying is correct, providing the innards were taken out and the heat couldn't reach them.
The one side with the slight reddish tint, that temperature was close to 1100F, not what I call low temperature.

Thanks Jon. I agree that this particular gun has too many problems. That is why I wanted to take the stock and any other issues out of the equation. I was only interested in what the torch could or would do to alter the metal and that particular gun gave a good visual example of one that had been torched.

Gil, I wasn't sure if "temper" was correct and apparently it isn't. I thought tempering hardened and made steel potentially more brittle. I thought what you described was annealing. I should have paid more attention in school.

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