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D Lee Braun's trap shooing book describes a young boy showing up at a country trap shoot and breaking about 17 or so birds with a .22. Braun claims the young man was the best trap shot he ever saw.

"The average rifleman can barely hit a deer in the haunch at 100yards"

we aim for neither the haunch or hte paunch. we aim at lungs neck or heart or front shoulder.

and most are pretty damn good shots.

pity about the midwest where you may be

not in my area of the country.

Elmer Keith killed a mule deer @ 600 yds. with his 4" S&W .44 mag.
JR

Here in Missouri, we have signs - "Welcome Hunters," in Colorado it's "Welcome Yuppies."
Your days of hunting in Colorado are numbered!
...and fireplace fires (hehehe)

Herb Parsons shot a SuperGrade Model 70 in .270 Win., with 4x scope- a "Jack O'Connor rifle" as per Rule's book on the great Model 70-a crow dead at 125 yards I would believe- at 1250 I would question- even with a Harris Bipoded M40 .308 168 grain Sierra handload and a Leupold sniper/Spec. ops. scope-- or a .22-250 with 50 grain Hornady bullet in a comparable M700 actioned accurized rifle- wind at 125 yards is a factor- at 10 times that at a small and possible moving target, plus sky and light conditions, sun glare, shadow, moving cloud cover overhead-even Carlos "Long Tra'n" Hathcock who "dinged 'em in at 1000 yards at Camp Perry in 1959 with a NM 1903 would maybe pass up that 1250 yards (or metric today thanks to NATO) shot- Hathcock also show quail awing with his single shot .22 rifle-even after at age 12 he had a single shot 12 ga. shotgun to use- he head shot his birds awing, and the .22 was way cheaper than a shotgun shell, he grew up dirt poor and shot to feed his family- ditto Alvin York from TN in his pre-WW1 boyhood- a hungry empty stomach and only one round at your command makes for an accurate shot-IMO

About two weeks ago I took a shot at a rabbit in my neighbor's back yard with my Gamo pellet gun. The pellet went into it's eye and came out the ear on the opposite side. I stepped it off at a good 55 yards. So, I don't think Herb Parsons has any thing on me.

Lucky shots happen all the time and only idiots say they are lucky shots when they happen. Having shot with the 1,000 yard National Record postion shooter, Carl Kovolchick, and having been there the day he set that record in the Wimbledon, I can assure you that any crow hit at 1.250 yards on the first shot is a lucky shot. Snipers can take head shots at 1,000 yards plus but Carl's 200 19x group was over 10 inches in diameter.

This was done with a 16 pound, .300 Win Mag with a 24X Leupold. Carl also had the advantage of unlimited sighters before he went for record. Carl was, at the time, a Secret Service counter sniper.

It can happen with a single shot out of a cold barrel, and being an incredible rifleman helps, but the truth is, it's luck.

By the way, Hathcock shot a model 70, not a 1903. He may have competed with a 1903 at some time, but it's not likley. The Marines were using M1s in service rifle competition by then. He was Distinguished so he shot a service rifle at some point.

Also by the way, the reticle on a 4X scope at 1,250 yards covers about 8 inches, more that the total size of the crows body.

Dick Jones Distinguished Civilian Rifleman #946

With Herb Parsons anything involving shooting was possible.

Why would you even want to shoot a deer in the haunches? The haunches are the best part of the deer and you sure wouldn't want to ruin the haunch by putting a bullet through it.

Having fired at minimum 1000 shots per year for over 40 years, I have made a few truly amazing and memorable shots at extreme range. Add luck, practice, and skill together, fire enough shots, and hits happen. Try this... Shoot a .22 rimfire at 250-300 yds. on dry ground where you can see your hits, and before long you can hit a pop can offhand with open sights quite often at those ranges. Yes, the sight would more than cover the can, but your aiming point will be several feet high and well right or left if it's windy. Now, if I can do that, I have no problem believing that a guy who routinely shoots bullets through thrown washers could hit a flying crow at 1250 yds. Parsons shot more in a month than most shooters do in a lifetime. He had a gun that could shoot that far easily, and he had the skill to put a bullet in the vicinity. Add that measure of luck, and the bullet would hit the crow, or the crow would run into the bullet. Those of you who feel this must have been 125 yds. if it happened at all just haven't shot enough at long range. Understand also that the next 100 shots at crows at that range might well all have missed. But it's tough to beat a bricklayer at his trade.