doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Speaking of Golcher....

Oh well, it was once was a wondeful gun. Too bad. Murph, mine is #2010.

Eightbore-

It sounds like you took the time to call the guy and talk to him about his gun. Good for you. It's the decent thing to do. And I trust you're a decent guy.

Only a jerk would trash guy's gun before he did everything he could to find out all about it.

BTW: I'm going to see him today and I'll ask him how you two came upon the 12g conclusion.

OWD

I didn't talk to anyone about the gun. The bore dimensions were posted on this thread. It was easy to come on the 12 gauge conclusion just from the information provided. There aren't any ten gauge guns out there with .730 some bores. I'm not trashing anyone's gun, just giving good information from the evidence I have to work with. I would love to own the gun just the way it is. I will not contact the owner, I will let him contact me if he wishes to.

So let me get this straight:

-You have not seen the gun in person

-You have not measured the gun

-You have not talked to the owner about the gun (even though his number is in the listing)

-You have not had the gun apart and in your hands for inspection

But you're sure you're right and the seller is wrong.

Interesting.

OWD

The seller gave us his bore dimensions. I've been around the block with older double guns for fifty years. I have yet to see a ten gauge gun with .730 some bores, especially not a Lindner Golcher. I think I'm giving the gun a pretty good report by saying I'd like to own it. What more can I do? If a potential buyer is confident that a jug choked gun with ten gauge chambers and twelve gauge bores is as it was made, from the factory, let him bid on the gun and take it home. You're up.

I can not remember ever seeing a 12 bore gun of this vintage by any maker that came in at 9&3/4 lbs.....excepting a bore rifle. I'm not completely sold on the idea of it being a 12 in the beginning, but I am no expert on Lindner or Golcher. Interesting thread.
Steve

Before you go any further;would someone please explain "jug choked" and why an o/d measurement over the "jug choke is important.

It might help to explain choke first. Choke is the difference between bore diameter and the tighter "choked" section of the bore near the muzzle. On a gun with little or no choke, a "jug choke" can be installed by increasing the bore diameter a few inches behind the muzzle effectively increase the bore for this area of the barrel. The barrel now would have an increased bore in the area that has been "jug choked" and a constriction at the muzzle. The reason the OD is listed is to give a very rough idea of the barrel wall thickness in the area that was bored out.Much easier for me to sketch on a piece of paper than explain. I hope that was not too confusing.
Steve

Here is the definition from MidwayUSA GunTec

A type of shotgun barrel constriction used on a barrel that either does not have a choke, or that has had the choke or choke thread portion cut off. Using an expanding reamer, a small area of the bore is recessed about one to two inches back from the muzzle. When fired, the shot pellets will tend to bunch up at area of slightly larger diameter, be constricted again the remaining bore of the original diameter and pattern in a slightly tighter formation.
http://www.midwayusa.com/guntecdictionary.exe/showterm?TermID=2956

A jug choke right from the maker is very unusual, but not unheard of.

Pete

double check that drawing Pete.....Your area of constriction in the jug choke is backwards....