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Raimey, if all of those were in my possession, I wouldn't be driving a ten year old car. I did buy the latter, but for a friend. The first group was auctioned at least twice in England and I do not know if they eventually sold. If I recall correctly, estimated prices were in the 20-30,000 pound range each.
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Daryl,
What's the gauge/caliber on your friend's?
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Silver, I can't remember the calibre, but it's a 16 bore.
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... all are fitted with double triggers(have a forend similar to the G.L. Rasch double rifle in the for-sale seciton)with the exception of Silver's and the example in Montana, which looks to be a left handed sidelever. I guess that is just a safety behind the toplever and not a hammer; therefore, they would only need 2 triggers. Interesting if his double realized about 20k pounds each. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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I am pretty sure that Cabela's has Ferdinand Fükert's first and last name incorrect and this is a Fükert example: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...erarchyId=11653 . Interesting addressing of the forend with the big beaver and I'd guess that would give weight to some of the continental longarms having the big beaver. The frame sort of looks of German origin but I'd say it is Belgian as too were the tubes sourced from Belgium. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Typical "beetle style" safety button and I can't really see but it looks to have passed thru the Weipert proofhouse in 1911 or 1916. BUT, it has the mark of "Krupp Stahl" on the tubes but the Belgian intertwined "EL" mark.  So I more than likely will have to yell "calf rope" or "uncle" as there now looks to be a Belgian-Krupp relationship purely from the sets of tube marks and Krupp steel was used by makers like LLH. More fuel for the big fire I guess or more questions than answers. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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 Some interesting Gustav Fkert stamps on a 1913 crown version.    I'd wager heavy odds, of course with my thumb on the scale, that a Schilling contingent all but finished this Fkert example with Casper Schilling, Sylvestr Schilling and the boys at the Schilling forge contributing effort. In addition I have seen Kelber stamps as well as Sauer 3 Ringe Weapons Grade Steel tubesets fitted to the unique action. It may be that the craftsmen in Weipert sourced Sauer for those tubesets in the 1st decade of the 20th century. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Similar 1905 Fkert example with Louis Kelber stamps on the tubes:   Similar Arrow & Crown over "GF" stamps on water table.  Krupp tube steel Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey, it's kind of fun to bring this stuff back. I had forgotten this post and the pics. It , too, adds a bit to the hammergun safety thread. Thanks for the new info.
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Hum, guess I need to read the hammergun thread then. Yeah, I like to dredge a few up from time to time just to remember how poor an earlier assumption was. I can't tell what the Oak leaf mark is above the forward Schilling forge mark on this 1913 example.  Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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