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#164088 10/14/09 11:23 AM
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Pieper was known for innovation and mechanization. He and his son held many patents. A friend asked about Pieper sidelocks. In all honesty, I have seen only a few examples. I went over the Pieper catalogs. By and large, they produced hammer guns and boxlocks. However, they also offered sidelock.

Does any one here own a Pieper sidelock?

A very early side cocker. I suppose it might be called a sidelock of sorts.


An 1888 ad showing a Diana sidelock.


An Anciens Etablissements Pieper 2000 series



An Anciens Etablissements Bayard 410-412-415 series. I do not believe this is a true sidelock, but rather a sideplate. This gun has 2 sets of barrels. One of which has had claw mounts added to the cape gun set.



According to the catalogs, they made a Pigeon grade that was highly engraved. But I have never seen one.

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I have three sidelock Bayard/Pieper shotguns. They are all hammerguns, all three are different. I think they are greast guns for the money. One of them has about every locking system known to man, sideclips, double underlugs, greener cross bolt, and a third bite.
I also bought an odd Bayard Pieper boxlock at the vintagers, it has a toplever locking system I have never seen before. There are pictures of it on the Gournet website http://www.gournetusa.com/forum/
it is the gun pictured at the bottom of the thread titled "Bayard 12 x 65 hammergun" in the Belgian gun forum. If anyone has seen one, owns one or can tell me more, I would love to hear about it.
It looks like a good idea...?

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Here is a Henri Pieper Diana sidelock with Boston damascus barrels 1888.


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Originally Posted By: Pete
An Anciens Etablissements Bayard 410-412-415 series. I do not believe this is a true sidelock, but rather a sideplate. This gun has 2 sets of barrels. One of which has had claw mounts added to the cape gun set.

Why do you think this one is not a sidelock. It looks to have all the pins + tumbler axle showing for a Bar-Action SL to me.


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Miller,

Here is a Pieper boxlock of the same vintage.




What do you think?

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Just thought you might like to see, here is one that I did some work on a couple of years ago recase/ reblue,..same gun but a higher grade, had very fine checkering as well as a SBP

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Yer the only guy I know that can give a German SxS class.

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CJO,

Thanks for posting that. A wonderfully engraved Belgian gun. I have never seen a close-up of that lock up before. Very interesting. I will have to go through the Pieper patents and see if he invented it.

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Miller, Here is a Pieper boxlock of the same vintage. What do you think?


Pete; On the gun with plates I see the tumbler axle, through the plate, totally behind the rear frame wall with its Gold bar cocking indicator. I see several other pins which could account fot the sears & bridle all attached to the plate.

On the Boxframe gun I cannot make out the tumbler axles at all. I see what I take to be the sear pin near bottom rear of frame. How is the tumbler held on this gun, does it mount to the trigger plate, or have short buil-on axles which set in frame recesses, doesn't appear to come through side walls.

Without seeing the plate removed it is of course hard to be positive, but it certainly has an external appearence of a side lock. The rear frame wall on this one appears to be vertical, while the boxlock has a decided step, protruding back at the top, definitely not just plates added to the same frame.


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I have a 16ga boxlock that would fall in between those two grades....the only mark to identify the maker is the Bayard knight on horseback stamped on the side of one of the barrel lumps...


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